Sounds great - though the Netflix / Amazon logos are not their choice....Netflix insist on it...if you want some certainty that Netflix certification will be there, the button is something we have to live with. Or no button and just use Netflix on a connected box.....one or the other.....

BeoET wrote:

Come on folks, before the Eclipse there were a lot of complains about the missing HDR, Dolby Vision etc in the Beovisions, and also a lot of complaints about issues with the software. Now that we finally get the best available OLED panel combined with a robust WebOS software in a stylish Beovision which lets us easily connect and control our BS9k, BL5, BL8k etc - that is still not enough? Be realistic: LG, Samsung and the likes are in a different league when it comes to R&D budgets, and can deliver incremental improvements each year to their panels. If you are in for a "Upgrade the TV each 2-3 years" approach, then a Beovision might not be the preferred choice for you. But if you're more into buying a timeless furniture/sculpture TV set makes you happy for many years, Beovision should be an option. And if it would be possible to change the panel to a newer model after - lets say - 5 years, this makes this set even more future proof. If not, the picture and sound quality should still be remarkable even 5 years from now.

I must agree that I would have preferred to have the usability of the B&O menus and touches (curtain, efficient use of the remote), and maybe also to have a thin aluminum frame around the panel (made it less "floppy"), but I think the overall Eclipse design is timeless and balanced. I think we'll go for the 65" Eclipse!

vikinger wrote:

I was really suggesting that you could design a sound bar to link to and control any panel above. I wasn't suggesting that this had been done with the Eclipse which, from its design, may well only be suitable for one particular panel.

Sure, but the chances of that happening are almost zero, primary as a) TV shapes change way too frequently and b) there's no easy way for B&O to produce a bar like the SoundCenter to wrap a TV in this manner - so it would just be a separate bar you'd sit on a cabinet or something.

Also, as I said before, do we *really* need a bar of such high quality? I'm perfectly happy with the BV12-65 centre speaker (which is primarily only good enough for voice) flanked by BL3s and a BL11. I'd rather have a flush speaker than something sticking out on each side, just for an improved sound experience.

All can say is imagine a b&0 oled with visionclear picture optimisation and their automatic picture control mixed alongside the black depth of an oled, would have really been something to behold.

The design of the eclispe still throws me off. I think if they done it more in keeping of the design of the bv-12 but with a greatly reduced bezel and upgraded speaker at the bottom within the screen with an aluminium strip going around the bezel  would have looked incredibly sleek.

But these are just my thoughts.

KMA wrote:

What's the craftmanship in every Eclipse?

Ironically, I remember people saying that B&O TVs were "rebadged Phillips" in the 90s, which made a few people laugh about the pricing (as they were much more expensive than a Phillips television). False as that was, as they weren't rebranded Philips TVs, B&O is realistically rebadging a LG and hoping most people don't notice the regular 65" LG is only £2999: 

Sandyb wrote:

All very true - though the C7 isn't picture on glass, so the E7 might be a better comparison

Ah, in that case: