I would imagine, given their price and construction, Eclipse and Horizon have the best margins for B&O and are the easiest (most cost-effective) to manufacture.In a way it makes sense to cut the range to bare minimum, while the LG partnership takes shape.B&O is in the survival mode.Avant 75 is discontinued. Avant 55 & 85 are still available. BV14 is discontinued with only 40" available at present. Horizon - no plans to stop production. Effectively, we will soon be down to Eclipse and Horizon as I understand it...
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I would imagine, given their price and construction, Eclipse and Horizon have the best margins for B&O and are the easiest (most cost-effective) to manufacture.
Not forgetting all the post-sale issues they've experienced with the Android-based TVs. They must have replaced quite a few, sent engineers to solve issues and so on - that's a cost that needs to be accounted for and a cost they'll want to eliminate. Rather than fix the bugs, easier just to ditch the product that causes the issue in the first place.
It’s easier (and less harmful to your reputation) to fix the software /before/ giving it to your customers. They should have delayed and doubled down until it was done.
Avant 75 is discontinued. Avant 55 & 85 are still available. BV14 is discontinued with only 40" available at present. Horizon - no plans to stop production. Effectively, we will soon be down to Eclipse and Horizon as I understand it...
I would imagine, given their price and construction, Eclipse and Horizon have the best margins for B&O and are the easiest (most cost-effective) to manufacture.
In a way it makes sense to cut the range to bare minimum, while the LG partnership takes shape.
B&O is in the survival mode.
The margins on TVs are dreadful compared to speakers. I remember when we worked to a 40% gross margin on TVs, nothing like that these days...
So I wonder if LG, Sony, Samsung, Panasonic etc. are making a loss on TVs and make up for it in other product categories, or they make a profit with small margins & high volume (the benefits of economics of scale).Given how much dealers can discount the mainstream TVs, I think each year the new top-of-the-line models begin with healthy margins, make the profits and then fire sell the rest. For example Sony A1 can now be had at half the launch price, when CES 2018 is right around the corner.For a small player such as B&O, even with their prices, finding the sweet spot of price/volume must have proven impossible – added with the losses that surely incurred from their software development mishaps which were perceived – rightly so – as an unforgivable lack of quality. In a way, B&O is also trapped in the luxury category, where prices should never come down to dismay the customers who have paid a hefty premium.My humble opinion is that B&O should have sticked with their barebones TV/Audio/ML&NL platform that they achieved with BV11 and Avant (pre-NG), and let people choose the "smart box" of their choice: AppleTV, Nvidia Shield, etc.In the past, I have paid for the design, materials and quality of BeoVisions (the look & feel) – never for their "smart" platform. I just about never used the smartTV part of BV11, yet I didn't find the TV lacking in any way. With PUC & AppleTV, I had a perfect combination – a combination where I could at any point update the smart part or even change smart platforms without changing the TV.I guess B&O are too far gone down the rocky TV path to make a 180 and do what for example Loewe does – to return to where they were pre-Android / LG. From my point of view as a customer, they were in a good place when either BV11 or Avant (pre-NG) were their flagship.The margins on TVs are dreadful compared to speakers. I remember when we worked to a 40% gross margin on TVs, nothing like that these days...
Is the BV11-46 still available?
I would have loved to see the test cases they used and the success factors.Does it turn on? Success. HmmmmThey couldn’t delay any longer, they were already L A T E ,to the party They just didn’t have real world test cases, obviously. And they should hang their heads in shame. They took good peoples money. Moxxey made sense that it makes business sense to kill the erroneous line if it’s not fixable. Obviously there are good working units and I’m happy that their owners are happy and have good working units.It’s easier (and less harmful to your reputation) to fix the software /before/ giving it to your customers. They should have delayed and doubled down until it was done.
And the reason that the luxury market exists is because people who are in it want something unique that not everyone else does.So I wonder if LG, Sony, Samsung, Panasonic etc. are making a loss on TVs and make up for it in other product categories, or they make a profit with small margins & high volume (the benefits of economics of scale). Given how much dealers can discount the mainstream TVs, I think each year the new top-of-the-line models begin with healthy margins, make the profits and then fire sell the rest. For example Sony A1 can now be had at half the launch price, when CES 2018 is right around the corner. For a small player such as B&O, even with their prices, finding the sweet spot of price/volume must have proven impossible – added with the losses that surely incurred from their software development mishaps which were perceived – rightly so – as an unforgivable lack of quality. In a way, B&O is also trapped in the luxury category, where prices should never come down to dismay the customers who have paid a hefty premium. My humble opinion is that B&O should have sticked with their barebones TV/Audio/ML&NL platform that they achieved with BV11 and Avant (pre-NG), and let people choose the "smart box" of their choice: AppleTV, Nvidia Shield, etc. In the past, I have paid for the design, materials and quality of BeoVisions (the look & feel) – never for their "smart" platform. I just about never used the smartTV part of BV11, yet I didn't find the TV lacking in any way. With PUC & AppleTV, I had a perfect combination – a combination where I could at any point update the smart part or even change smart platforms without changing the TV. I guess B&O are too far gone down the rocky TV path to make a 180 and do what for example Loewe does – to return to where they were pre-Android / LG. From my point of view as a customer, they were in a good place when either BV11 or Avant (pre-NG) were their flagship. KMA B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
No, I bought a few at a good price when they were being discontinued as it's a great TV, but all gone now...
I have the same problems with my Beovision 14-40. I also have problems with software not updating on the Beosound Moment. The company is not what it was 10 years ago.
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