Hi KMA

Thanks a lot for the reading pleasure I had in the last weeks waiting for my on Bv11-46 to be delivered. Finally last week it was delivered and installed. I also ordered a BL11 -because it is such a beauty- and of course to add additional sound experience in combination with my BV11, BS3000 and BL6000.

I have copied a lot of your recommended settings for picture and sound. Thanks again this really helped.  But so far I cannot get a real fat bass sound out of the BL11. Can you give any additional advice as you are an expert on settings? And my understanding of in particular the sound/bass settings in the BV11 menu is not sufficient. I have configured two settings so far; speaker 1 is BV11 and BL11. Speaker 2 is BV11, BL6000 and BL11.

Beofan67 wrote:

Hi KMA

Thanks a lot for the reading pleasure I had in the last weeks waiting for my on Bv11-46 to be delivered. Finally last week it was delivered and installed. I also ordered a BL11 -because it is such a beauty- and of course to add additional sound experience in combination with my BV11, BS3000 and BL6000.

I have copied a lot of your recommended settings for picture and sound. Thanks again this really helped.  But so far I cannot get a real fat bass sound out of the BL11. Can you give any additional advice as you are an expert on settings? And my understanding of in particular the sound/bass settings in the BV11 menu is not sufficient. I have configured two settings so far; speaker 1 is BV11 and BL11. Speaker 2 is BV11, BL6000 and BL11.

Hi Beofan67,

Getting the most out of BeoLab 11 when connected to the BeoVision 11 and driven by its new audio engine takes a little tweaking and discovery (options galore!). I've highlighted the most important parts from the SETUP -> SOUND menus:

1) Speaker setup (this is where you set the universal baseline for your bass, per Speaker Group)

SETUP -> SOUND -> SPEAKER TYPE -> PL 5 LEFT: BEOLAB 11

In my case, the BeoLab 11 is connected to PL 5 socket. It does not matter which socket you connect it to, but do not assign subwoofer to both PL (X) LEFT and PL (X) RIGHT, unless you have 2 subwoofers

SETUP -> SOUND -> SPEAKER GROUPS -> SPEAKER ROLES -> BEOLAB 11: SUBWOOFER

SETUP -> SOUND -> SPEAKER GROUPS -> SPEAKER DISTANCE -> set the distance to sub

SETUP -> SOUND -> SPEAKER GROUPS -> SPEAKER LEVEL -> SUBWOOFER: 4.5 dB

This is probably the most important setting to get more out of the BeoLab 11. In my setup, the level of other speakers is 0.0 dB, i.e. at their default value. Depending on how hard you wish to drive the BeoLab 11, its speaker level can be up to 6.0 dB. If it's set to 0 (default), with BeoVision 11, the sub is practically not audible. I found 6.0 dB to be a little bit too "boomy" in some cases, and found 4.5 dB for the sub's level to be optimal. This depends of course on your listening position(s), placement of the sub and size of the room.

Also, remember to set the physical position switch of your BeoLab 11 to the correct position (Free, Wall, or Corner) depending on where your BeoLab 11 is placed.  This alone affects the bass level a lot.

SETUP -> SOUND -> SPEAKER GROUPS -> ADVANCED SETTINGS -> BASS MANAGEMENT -> CROSSOVER FREQUENCY: 120 Hz (This is the default for BeoLab 11 in my setup). If you set it lower than the default, it will direct more bass to the sub from other speakers.

SETUP -> SOUND -> SPEAKER GROUPS -> ADVANCED SETTINGS -> BASS MANAGEMENT -> ENABLE FILTERING: LEFT FRONT and RIGHT FRONT: ON

SETUP -> SOUND -> SPEAKER GROUPS -> ADVANCED SETTINGS -> PANNING, REDIRECTION LEVELS and REDIRECTION BALANCE I've left to the default settings offered by the audio engine for my speakers.

SETUP -> SOUND -> SPEAKER GROUPS -> ADVANCED SETTINGS -> LFE INPUT TO CEILING: NO

SETUP -> SOUND -> SPEAKER GROUPS -> ADVANCED SETTINGS -> SUBWOOFER -> TIME ALIGNMENT: 0 ms and ALL-PASS FREQUENCY: BYPASS

2) Then, from any SOUND MODE, you can make the following sound adjustments:

SETUP -> SOUND -> SOUND MODES -> CUSTOM (for example, you can adjust any of the sound modes except "Adaptive) -> 

• FREQUENCY TILT: if you set this to negative values, such as -2, it will enhance the bass. 
• SOUND ENHANCE: if you set this to positive values, such as 2, it will enhance the mid-range.

Experimenting with these will set the tone of the speakers to your liking. 

• SPEECH ENHANCE: 0
• LOUDNESS: ON
• BASS MANAGEMENT: ON
• BALANCE L/R I haven't touched in my setup
• FADER B/F I haven't touched in my setup (I have no rear speakers)
• DYNAMICS CONTROL: OFF
• LISTENING STYLE: ACTIVE

ADVANCED SETTINGS -> LFE INPUT: ON

ADVANCED SETTINGS -> LOUDNESS: BASS MAX BOOST 12 dB
ADVANCED SETTINGS -> LOUDNESS: TREBLE MAX BOOST 9 dB

If you are not a fan of the LOUDNESS setting, you can leave it off. I find it to be implemented well enough to leave it ON, especially when you can adjust how much Loudness boosts bass and treble.

ADVANCED SETTINGS -> SPATIAL CONTROL -> PROCESSING: TRUE IMAGE 

All other settings under SPATIAL CONTROL I've kept at their default mid-points, except for MUSIC sound mode I've selected to expand the STAGE WIDTH, making my TV's speaker sound as if they were further apart than they physically are.

ADVANCED SETTINGS -> DYNAMICS CONTROL -> COMPRESSION: OFF
ADVANCED SETTINGS -> DYNAMICS CONTROL -> CLIP PROTECTION: ON

Start by tweaking the highlighted parts (especially the sub's speaker level), and you should get a better response from BeoLab 11.

You can undo any settings you've made by RESET TO DEFAULT. What's great about this is that it only affects the particular settings in the sub-menu you're in, so it won't reset all sound adjustments to their defaults. This makes "trial and error" more convenient, and experimenting safer.

Hi KMA,

Appreciate your quick reply. Thanks for your time and effort to describe it in this extended way. In the coming long evenings before Xmas I will find some time to follow up your recommendations.  I will let you know the results.

Best regards

Beofan67

KMA,

it seems someone is in need of a university degree of audio engineering for the BV11 setup in comparison to previous BV10 😂

Regarding sound, you have written: " Here BeoVision 10 loses big time. The audio of BeoVision 11 is both fuller and clearer than that of BV10. Does you judgment focus on the stand alone system (only BV11 without any add. BL speaker)? Or does the poor sound quality of the BV10 relativize in setup with BL3/9/5 frontspeaker, if the BV10 is only the center speaker?

Thank you very much for your answer.

ptbb wrote:

My new beovision 11 55 will arrive on next friday. it is my first b&o tv. i would like to know, if ii is possible to hear internet radio on boevision 11, because i want use tv as only one source for listening music, radio and blue ray.

On a site note: depending on your location: the BV11 does actually scan for DVB.T Radio - in case that's available in your area

hotknife wrote:

KMA,

it seems someone is in need of a university degree of audio engineering for the BV11 setup in comparison to previous BV10 😂

Regarding sound, you have written: " Here BeoVision 10 loses big time. The audio of BeoVision 11 is both fuller and clearer than that of BV10. Does you judgment focus on the stand alone system (only BV11 without any add. BL speaker)? Or does the poor sound quality of the BV10 relativize in setup with BL3/9/5 frontspeaker, if the BV10 is only the center speaker?

Thank you very much for your answer.

Hi hotknife,

When I made the comparison, I was initially talking about BV11 as a standalone unit (TV's speakers only) compared to BeoVision 10. Strangely (and superbly) the audio on BV11 is so good that BeoLab 11 brings very little extra to the bass response. I'm actually still undecided if I like the sound of the BV11's speakers ALONE better than with BeoLab 11. BV11's 3-way speakers sound great and very balanced together, and there is amazingly deep bass.

With BeoVision 10, BeoLab 11 completes the otherwise missing low-end of the audio. However, the speakers of BV11 (with or without BL11) still sound better, more natural and pleasing to the ears. BeoVision 11 has "true" Bang & Olufsen sound, in my opinion. I'm sure BeoVision 11 would also have more strength as a center channel, and because of the better speakers, dialogue and vocals would sound better on the BV11.

With BeoVision 10, you'll need the BeoLab 11 for any serious listening, and it still will not measure up to enjoyable audio of BV11.

Having invested more time exploring the new audio engine of BV11, if you have additional BeoLabs connected for front and surround, BeoVision 11 will still win. The benefits come from the tailoring you can do for any speaker setup -- something the "crude" sound settings of BV10 cannot manage.

I hope B&O will implement the new audio engine to all of their TVs, and to BeoSystem 3. As it is now, the audio capabilities in BV11 are, in my opinion, on par with BeoSystem 3 -- if not even more advanced.

KMA, I just received my BV11-55 last week and still going though all the features and menus. I have two issues which perhaps you may be of assistance. First I cannot get the headphones to work - essentially the sound continues to come out of the TV speakers. Is there some special setting that is needed for the headphones to work as far as you know?

The second issue is more feedback from you (and others). When I look at the at the edges of the TV I see the LEDs, is this normal or should they be invisible? The reason I ask is that I noticed while I was watching a blu-ray that the black bars on top and the bottom are not pitch black, but rathei see a white beam from the edges. This happened with one particular blu-ray, and the room was completely dark. Have you noticed this at all?

And the third, is there a more descriptive manual explaining each of the menu features in more detail? The help button on the TV is very limited.

Thank you in advance...

KMA,

thank you very much for your answer and the time you invested.

Taking only the first question:  This is common to many B&O TV's.  Plug in the headphones, then mute the TV (press the volume button straight into the Beo4)  the headphones will continue to play, you can control the volume as always, and the speakers can be brought back on by pressing mute again.