Dave Farr wrote:

Facel wrote:

@Millemissen

Don't be sorry, just try to be more respectfull, don't argue like a kitchen salesman who is seeing that he will not finalize his deal

Let's all behave.

@Facel, I think what MM was trying to get across is that B&O have a very good and tailored video and audio engine that is designed to give a much better video and audio package than some other manufacturers. Integration with other devices is improving, connectivity to B&O's own equipment, multi room, placement options etc, etc is possible, WISA and so on.

LG and B&O are in different markets. That doesn't make one any better or worse than the other in my opinion. They are just different. I still don't like that rectangular window at the bottom no matter how good the picture may be.

Dave.

That is pretty much how I feel about it.

After all, what I am interested in, is the overall concept behind the B&O devices.

To me that is at a level, that by far is not reached by any other manufacturer (of A/V gear), no matter how good the picture of an OLED tv is, or how intriguing it might be to have a soundbar beneath it.

When it comes to choosing, I would rather live with the superb FullHD picture/screen and the exceptional audio solution of a BV(11), than with an OLED 4K tv (of todays standart) with a wanna-be surround sound solution in a box connected to it.

This is not about behaving or not.

This is about the overall experience, you can have from a B&O setup, which - i thought - we as Beoworlders should applaude.

I am perfectly fine with someone not caring for it - that is his choice..

But after all this is a B&O forum - and we were discussing a 'BeoVision 11 replacement'.

MM

Millemissen wrote:

That is pretty much how I feel about it.

After all, what I am interested in, is the overall concept behind the B&O devices.

To me that is at a level, that by far is not reached by any other manufacturer (of A/V gear), no matter how good the picture of an OLED tv is, or how intriguing it might be to have a soundbar beneath it.

When it comes to choosing, I would rather live with the superb FullHD picture/screen and the exceptional audio solution of a BV(11), than with an OLED 4K tv (of todays standart) with a wanna-be surround sound solution in a box connected to it.

Chris Townsend wrote:

I don't understand what any of this about the future technology in the next 11. Based upon some of the comments, B&O may as well have just kept making the CRT Avant.

I did love my Avant CRT - the sound and picture were superb.  But, it was a monster of a TV in comparison to todays thinner/less deep panel TV's whether they are LCD, LED, Plasma or OLED.  Stick an old Avant in a corner and it was great but against a wall and it stuck out a mile, especially if you wanted the stand to rotate.

Having gone to the BV7_55, I haven't looked back.  I don't miss the old Avant but it was still one of the best CRT's available in its time.  That time has long gone now.

B&O were on the brink of pulling out of TV productuion completely last year.  Leaving only speakers, streaming devices and the Beoplay range (having sold the auto sound section).  I'm glad they didn't pull the plug and we can still have our fully integrated/smart TV's with the rest of our old and newer sound equipment.

As the BV11 is available in 3 sizes currently, do we need a 'replacement' or simply and enhancement of the BV11 range?  e.g. larger screen, improved features etc.

Dave.

In my eyes the problem is to get an 46' screen for less than +/- 7000€ (including DVB T/C/S and a stand solution) right now...... made by B&O.

The V1 with a motorised bracket, like the BV11...... I would have bought it, but the stand solutions were not my taste

Dave Farr wrote:

I did love my Avant CRT - the sound and picture were superb. But, it was a monster of a TV in comparison to todays thinner/less deep panel TV's whether they are LCD, LED, Plasma or OLED. Stick an old Avant in a corner and it was great but against a wall and it stuck out a mile, especially if you wanted the stand to rotate.

Having gone to the BV7_55, I haven't looked back. I don't miss the old Avant but it was still one of the best CRT's available in its time. That time has long gone now.

B&O were on the brink of pulling out of TV productuion completely last year. Leaving only speakers, streaming devices and the Beoplay range (having sold the auto sound section). I'm glad they didn't pull the plug and we can still have our fully integrated/smart TV's with the rest of our old and newer sound equipment.

As the BV11 is available in 3 sizes currently, do we need a 'replacement' or simply and enhancement of the BV11 range? e.g. larger screen, improved features etc.

Dave.

Chris Townsend wrote:

Just enhance or update the 11, nothing else.

Although I just got my 11 earlier this year, I'd say that an update to the 11 would make me seriously consider upgrading. Too bad here in the States B&O don't do as robust a "trade-in" as overseas.

Secondly, Count me in as one of those who loved the old Avant. Even here in the States where we didn't have the RealFlat version, my old Black Lacquer CRT was the Rolls Royce of televisions. You can fetch them on eBay for close to nothing, but they were a bear to move. My friend and I almost lost our backs once when we attempted to move it down a flight of stairs. The handle grips below the front of the CRT "ledge" were barely there as opposed to the wide and deep openings in the back. Built like a tank it was.

Sal wrote:

Although I just got my 11 earlier this year, I'd say that an update to the 11 would make me seriously consider upgrading. Too bad here in the States B&O don't do as robust a "trade-in" as overseas.

Secondly, Count me in as one of those who loved the old Avant. Even here in the States where we didn't have the RealFlat version, my old Black Lacquer CRT was the Rolls Royce of televisions. You can fetch them on eBay for close to nothing, but they were a bear to move. My friend and I almost lost our backs once when we attempted to move it down a flight of stairs. The handle grips below the front of the CRT "ledge" were barely there as opposed to the wide and deep openings in the back. Built like a tank it was.

Sal and Razlaw,

I am also looking forward to a new Beovision.  However I am starting to wonder if Bang & Olufsen is ultimately going to leave the United States.  There have been many store closings lately.  There is now only one dealer in Chicago and it is Abt electronics.  It is one of the best dealers there is but it is in the suburbs.  Most customers live in the city and don't have a car like me.  Maybe B&O shouldn't make a TV but still have a way a way of connecting speakers and players to a networked TV like the LG oled.