KMA,

I have to respond to some of your points, because they will mis-inform others. As has been said many times, Netflix HEVC onboard is a non-issue since you'll derive this from an external box anyhow. And yes, 4K terrestrial tuners may be needed someday, but the likelihood for all of us is extremely low as the bandwidth required will likely push us to taking this content over IP.

We have to stop thinking about TV's like we have in the past. Its far better to put the rapid changing technology outside of the screen.

Your points about having multiple ports at 4K would make it more future-proof, I agree.

On the build quality - as everyone knows, some of the first buyers experienced some screen issues. B&O were outstanding and replaced these immediately. The issues were done and closed in 12 weeks. I wouldn't touch a BV11- do you remember the screen fogging issues? But you bought one. Quality is outstanding and its B&O's best selling TV - move on.

KMA,

I have to respond to some of your points, because they will mis-inform others. As has been said many times, Netflix HEVC onboard is a non-issue since you'll derive this from an external box anyhow. And yes, 4K terrestrial tuners may be needed someday, but the likelihood for all of us is extremely low as the bandwidth required will likely push us to taking this content over IP.

We have to stop thinking about TV's like we have in the past. Its far better to put the rapid changing technology outside of the screen.

Your points about having multiple ports at 4K would make it more future-proof, I agree.

On the build quality - as everyone knows, some of the first buyers experienced some screen issues. B&O were outstanding and replaced these immediately. The issues were done and closed in 12 weeks. I wouldn't touch a BV11- do you remember the screen fogging issues? But you bought one. Quality is outstanding and its B&O's best selling TV - move on.

Think you for the replies. I Will try out the BV 11 and Avant in the shop today.

Michael wrote:

You can't add a usb hard drive for recording to bv11. My friends bv11 (updated) does not have webradio (just web media). The BV11 speakers are inferior for a surround setup. The fact that the bass might go deeper makes no difference for me since I use beolab 9s too.. And the bv11 bad goes to 44hz, probably but not on a high volume just playing low. Turn it up and I think avant sounds better (my experience).

B&O speakers use ABL so hz comparison really doesn't mean -anything-.

The bv11 without built in hdd has only one tuner.

mawheele wrote:

On the build quality - as everyone knows, some of the first buyers experienced some screen issues. B&O were outstanding and replaced these immediately. The issues were done and closed in 12 weeks. I wouldn't touch a BV11- do you remember the screen fogging issues? But you bought one. Quality is outstanding and its B&O's best selling TV - move on.

Maybe I'm coming at this from a very different perspective. That is to say, many folks who jumped on the Avant were folks with a long and continuous history with B&O, they upgraded from another B&O television, it was almost as simple as removing one component in their BeoLives and welcoming a replacement.

I, on the other hand was a recovering Beophile, that is to say, had almost no B&O for years, and considering a new television, a B&O Television, no less, meant that I would need to basically start from scratch again. (As I'm packing my current receiver and speakers to post on eBay and Craigslist hoping for a decent buyer to give them a nice home, when my Beovision 11 arrives). 

As a BeoPhile Mark II, I was considering much more than just latest and greatest. Design, reliability, bulletproof-ness of the build quality and technology were all considerations my wife and I discussed -- well, I discussed, she was likely paying attention to something else. Cautiously, I also considered that more actual moving parts means more chances for a fault, something breaking. I didn't want my new plunge into B&O to be one I'd regret. Now, mind you, I tried out both televisions in multiple dealers.

I don't claim to say that the BV11 is better than the Avant, nor do I think the Avant is better than the BV11, they both have their advantages, but it all comes down to what the user will value.

My wife and I value something we can buy and it looks good, and will function well for years, we don't have to fiddle with it, don't have to be concerned with moving it, etc. (ie. stand positions)... As for 4K, we don't care. We're happy and will be happy with our lowly 1080p (which will still kick the ass of any other non B&O TV in it's class).

In then end we're receiving a Beovision 11 next week. We were moved by the design, build quality, ease of use, sound, modularity (ie. we can change the speaker grill to different colors should we want to). Heck, if we wanted to we could at a likely significant cost, change the frame from our ordered black to silver if we wanted to as well. And we valued the fact that we wouldn't have to be worried about some of the issues that MkI avant users have posted here as well. 

We're the boring people who wanted to buy something which used established technology, pushed to perfection. 😐

Sal wrote:

 

I don't claim to say that the BV11 is better than the Avant, nor do I think the Avant is better than the BV11, they both have their advantages, but it all comes down to what the user will value.

My wife and I value something we can buy and it looks good, and will function well for years, we don't have to fiddle with it, don't have to be concerned with moving it, etc. (ie. stand positions)... As for 4K, we don't care. We're happy and will be happy with our lowly 1080p (which will still kick the ass of any other non B&O TV in it's class).

In then end we're receiving a Beovision 11 next week. We were moved by the design, build quality, ease of use, sound, modularity (ie. we can change the speaker grill to different colors should we want to). Heck, if we wanted to we could at a likely significant cost, change the frame from our ordered black to silver if we wanted to as well. And we valued the fact that we wouldn't have to be worried about some of the issues that MkI avant users have posted here as well. 

I just ordered a BV11-55 for exactly the same reason. We currently have a BV10-46 hooked up to two BL6000. The new one will replace the 10. 

It took us since May 8th last year to decide and the 11 is simply the right combination between design (and context), and tech, for us of course. Yes it's not 4K but I'm not too concerned either..

I will pick it up in Italy (with the new EUR/CHF rate, the deduction of the Italian VAT and the additional CH VAT it still cheaper by the thousands, including renting a van for the day... sorry Swiss dealers you need to bang on B&O's door to implement VAT-based pricing..).

I hope I will be able to setup the easel stand by myself - the instructions make it seem pretty easy :)