Tomaz, that looks very cool!

A nice clean design. 

What I would change is the bass drivers to be bigger, and maybe function with or without the ALT lens on a co-axial basis. 

For example ELAC, a german loudspeaker manufacturer has made a pretty advanced co-axial driver, although it's only treble and mid-range, but co-axial drivers with large bass drivers, are on the other hand nothing new. But ELAC's take on it looks a bit different than the norm.

j0hnbarker wrote:

Would that be the same medical sciences Peter that relied on patronage and old boy networks for so many years? The tradition of scientific enquiry that was based on the entry criteria of 'what medical school did your father attend' is defunct, outmoded, invalid and repugnant. Hardly logical (or at the very basest, meritocratic).Many doctors would be well informed by a study of the arts or social sciences. At the very least they would learn that inane platitudes are no substitute for a reasoned discourse. For those who hide their professional backgrounds, I speak as a social scientist who is halfway through a medical degree, following a successful career as a Civil Servant. Adherents to the traditional English academic discourse of reasoned argument and debate are clearly not welcome here.

 I think the present day intake bears no resemblance to the caricature that you paint - as far as I can see, medical students are chosen on merit and ability. One of those abilities is surely to show empathy and kindness to people who can be distressed. Sometimes it has to be said that the selection of candidates just on academic qualifications would seem to chose completely the wrong people, though they do seem to gravitate to research posts.

The fact that many doctors come from a medical background is usually because they can see the attraction of a medical career and the huge amount of benefit they can give to society. Until recently, the NHS was not a particularly lucrative career. Most of my contemporaries from school entered the City and have long since retired. I am proud to say that I do come from a very medical background - my grandfather was a renowned surgeon as well as a founder of the socialist surgical society. He concentrated his work in Ancoats rather than London, despite opportunities, simply as he felt he was doing more for poorer people. My father was also a surgeon and I work in a deprived area quite deliberately.

I help teach medical students, and registrars and come across a wide variety of excellent doctors from all classes. I do however still miss the old type of medicine with real continuity of care unlike the shift system that operates today. I still offer all my cancer patients 24 hour cover as do many of the 'old school' GPs. Maybe there were faults in the old system, but medicine was seen as a vocation rather than a career. I may be old fashioned but I know I offer a good standard of care that is appreciated by my patients.

I certainly avoid trying to upset people on this forum so do not post inflammatory statements, so apologise if you feel my input comprises mainly 'inane platitudes'. As a moderator, I have to be able to see all sides of an argument and to facilitate threads.

Stan wrote:

Electrified wrote:

given that Trip want any negative discussion to cease, because it might cost him on the bottom line. You don't see a problem with that, but me being private, uh, oh, the horror!

Trip didn't say this.  I believe his call was for more constructive criticism, less "I don't like it because it's stupid". 

All the while not even trying to hold himself up to that standard. That amounts to attempting to stifle criticism.

Stan wrote:

What's that strawman fallacy you keep railing about?  Pot, meet kettle...

That's not a strawman. It doesn't matter if he claims that he's not trying to stop any criticism when the entire sentiment is an attempt to do so. It's like saying "I'm not a racist, [followed by a racist remark]". I need to say, I'm not likening Trip's position with racism, just to be clear, but it doesn't matter that he hides his position behind the disclaimer that it's "merely" a request for more arguing one's position. Especially not since he doesn't even try to live up to it himself.

Further, to have his supporter J0hnBarker back Trip's position up with a denouncement of reason, logic and basic sense, doesn't actually help the argument, does it? I mean, it's one thing to argue that one should back up one's claim, but if you then don't do it yourself, and then end up in a corner where the only pseudo argument is that reason and logic is a logical fallacy in it's own right speaks volumes.

The discussion in this thread is evident of such behaviour, especially if you read the Beoworld in decline-thread for context.

I'd love to know what the relevance is here to the Beosound 8 that was the subject of discussion.

Maybe you should be on a Medical Forum?

ojibway wrote:

I'd love to know what the relevance is here to the Beosound 8 that was the subject of discussion.

Maybe you should be on a Medical Forum?

A little larger, and your point would have been so much better ...

Seriously, though, go back and read page one, and you will notice how Trip was the main instigator of these parallel discussions. Especially his facepalm jesus was great and really carried a lot of meaning pertaining to the Beosound 8 ❓

ojibway wrote:

I'd love to know what the relevance is here to the Beosound 8 that was the subject of discussion.

Maybe you should be on a Medical Forum?

In my view, little relevance. I was merely replying to a statement directed at me.

On the subject of the design on the BS8, I think is is a reasonable take on an iPod dock. It is limited by its very premise in that stereo separation will always be poor, but making it wider would be silly. For those wanting a more acceptable hi-fi solution, a docking station attached to a normal music system would be preferable. Indeed, i use such a system myself at times, though my Beoport linked into my home system actually fulfils a similar role. I do have another make iPod dock which resides in the kitchen - I have never linked this room as it is a later addition to the house and the walls are rather thick, making wireless less than useful and putting me off drilling holes. It must a good few years old and comprises two rectangular two way speakers with a bar in between. Not very beautiful, but functional. It does however let me listen to music and choose from almost anything (I use a 160Gb iPod). I would have bought a B&O one no doubt if it had been available but made do with this. The BS8 would not actually fit in the designated area so will not be a candidate for this room.

I also confess to seeing less point in an iPod dock now as I would prefer to stream music wirelessly from the iPod so that it was to hand rather than on the other side of the room. This would also allow a rather more exciting design unconstrained by the need to incorporate the iPod in the device. I do actually now have an iPad as well but cannot see this really as a music device alone, to be placed in a dock.

Going off on another tangent, I do like your avatar! Is it your own design?

Doctor wrote:

I also confess to seeing less point in an iPod dock now as I would prefer to stream music wirelessly from the iPod so that it was to hand rather than on the other side of the room. This would also allow a rather more exciting design unconstrained by the need to incorporate the iPod in the device. I do actually now have an iPad as well but cannot see this really as a music device alone, to be placed in a dock.

Going off on another tangent, I do like your avatar! Is it your own design?

Yes Doc

it would offer a more exciting design if it weren't constrained by the need to dock an iThingy. Do you like the ideas offered by Tomaz? Do you appreciate the design aesthetics that are normally associated with B&O? Do you think the Beosound 8 falls within or outside the B&O aesthetic criteria or expectations?

The logo I use is from a painting by Norval Morrisseau, a Canadian Indian artist (who died in 2007) Our paths crossed in 1967 - 

I think the design by Tomaz makes the device more interesting - the incorporation of a screen allows feedback without the iThingy! - but it is just an adaptation of an iDock design. I am sure if given a blank sheet, Tomaz would come up with something rather more interesting if possibly less to the liking of the company accountants!

If I have a problem with the BS8, it is its lack of design cues with the other products in the portfolio. The control interface differs from that of the other current products. I expect an entry level product to encourage one to go on by letting one sample the delights of the range. For instance, the Beomaster 1500 was an entry level receiver but shared the same basic design as the top of the range 4400. The problem with the BS8 is the reliance on another company's iThingy which of course pollutes the design ethos of B&O. But unfortunately, if you make an iPod dock, that is really your lot. The sound quality does reach my expectations for a B&O product; the design is an acceptable take on an iPod dock but not a B&O classic.

I'm surprised nobody has yet compared the Beosound 8 to the products by GenevaLab. As I have never seen nor heard either, I'm fully qualified to do that now.

Going to

tournedos wrote:

I'm surprised nobody has yet compared the Beosound 8 to the products by GenevaLab. As I have never seen nor heard either, I'm fully qualified to do that now.

Going to link, I can note the following points:

• I think I've seen the "display visible through a perforated front grille" idea before somewhere
• I think I've seen the modernized trumpet stand idea somewhere before as well
• ...if the Beosound 8 would have been designed to look like a B&O product, it would've probably been accused of plagiarizing the Geneva.

Also:

• The Genevas are priced outrageously (except the S model, which just by looking at the driver specs must sound a lot weaker than BS8 - note that the stands are also extra and not contained in the base price)
• Wonder what the stereo imaging in those is like?
• ...and they wont' take an iPad.
  

But:

• The motorized dock would be very much B&O's domain and looks indefinitely better than the silly paddle on top of the BS8 while nothing is docked
• They have a CD player, which is great
• They have an FM radio - also great - but with six presets? 😕

As noted, I have no idea of the sound quality. The (very expensive) bigger models look like they would pack a punch, though.

Wonder how much Swiss component level assembly they contain...

Hmmm. 🤔

Nov 13 - 9.02

The Australian link/ first impressions.

"B&O seems to be quite a polarising brand. You either love its products because of their quality and design, or deride them for their high prices. Well, with the BeoSound 8’s reasonable price there’s now no reason not to love it. Sure, $A1490 is still a lot of money for most of us, but it’s a good price for this beautiful system."

They make a comparison with the . If first looks count, then the opinion of those who don't like the BS8 appearance might change after looking at this awful looking dock!