I am never really sure what is happening in these long drawn out discussions which essentially bash Bang & Olufsen no matter what new product they introduce.  I have a few comments.

1. Not made in Denmark!  In this case the reason for production in China of the Beosound 8 was easy.  Cost of course is a factor but I believe the case for investment in a new factory anywhere did not make sense.  Beosound 8 is not a 10 year product because Beosound 8 will be very out of date in maybe 3 years or less.  Also this is a mass market item that will not only be in B&O stores but in the Apple store and amazon.com and others.

2. Design.  If you don't like, don't buy it.

3. Cost.  Again it's easy.  If you want a Beosound 8 but don't have the money, set some money aside and buy it later.  It may be on special offer by then.  There is a worldwide financial recession now.  This was brave of B&O to do this but it might be part of the survival plan

That's my thoughts on the matter.  There were several products I didn't buy mainly because I didn't like them........Beosound 3 was one of them.

Finally Beoworld is not in decline!  Many of the members of the previous version of Beoworld who donated time and money are still here.  Lee is doing a fine job with Beoworld.  I don't know of any forums that have prize drawings. 

j0hnbarker wrote:

PM me for a discussion about postmodernism Electrified. The one you will Google on Wikipedia isn't very good. We can then take it from there, step-by-step, why my subscription to postmodernist thought means that I see your logic as mere fallacy.

And with that you're back to making the exact same childish claim that Trip is making: That you're above logic and reason. However, you claiming to have that stance is still unsubstantitated as you used it as an argument in its own right. But I guess with the stance that both you and he seems to subscribe to, there's no way to actually use a computer, be on the internet, go to the doctor, drive your car, and hold that stance without being a hypocrite. Those things are based on the very things you denounce, and the claim that being a postmodernist allows you to claim that "my" logic is a mere fallacy is circular logic. You cannot denounce, say, mathemathics with one hand, and with the other prove mathemathically mathemathics doesn't exist. That is just a nonsensical and childish red herring as it seems you and Trip doesn't seem to run out of.

 

Electrified wrote:

j0hnbarker wrote:

PM me for a discussion about postmodernism Electrified. The one you will Google on Wikipedia isn't very good. We can then take it from there, step-by-step, why my subscription to postmodernist thought means that I see your logic as mere fallacy.

And with that you're back to making the exact same childish claim that Trip is making: That you're above logic and reason. However, you claiming to have that stance is still unsubstantitated as you used it as an argument in its own right. But I guess with the stance that both you and he seems to subscribe to, there's no way to actually use a computer, be on the internet, go to the doctor, drive your car, and hold that stance without being a hypocrite. Those things are based on the very things you denounce, and the claim that being a postmodernist allows you to claim that "my" logic is a mere fallacy is circular logic. You cannot denounce, say, mathemathics with one hand, and with the other prove mathemathically mathemathics doesn't exist. That is just a nonsensical and childish red herring as it seems you and Trip doesn't seem to run out of.

 

You better Google it then.

Electrified wrote:

given that Trip want any negative discussion to cease, because it might cost him on the bottom line. You don't see a problem with that, but me being private, uh, oh, the horror!

Trip didn't say this.  I believe his call was for more constructive criticism, less "I don't like it because it's stupid". 

What's that strawman fallacy you keep railing about?  Pot, meet kettle...

folkdeejay wrote:

 

I know its just a render - but IF bsnd 8 looked like that - and it had a mechanical Line in and USB as well as airplay, it would be on my wall today, no question.

You should submit that. 

 

 

Thanks folkdeejay,

But, I can recommend the BS8 its has great sound , designwise and soundwise its without competition and if you going to get a cheap Airport Express from Ebay you can just plug it on the backside. And its ok.

There is nothing to submit, its still a Beosound 8 and not my design , I just have altered and added some parts thats all.

Its also not a replacement more a standalone main audio system , only for the wall,which dont need to be portable , it could based on the Beosound 8 plattform and could stream from Apple Products as well as from BS5.

 

I am very pleased to say that I am not a post modernist - I believe in logic and science, and I believe Electrified argues from a logical standpoint that is easy to understand. Not very pretty, mind you, and not prone to taking prisoners. Perhaps my more genteel approach might be seen to have some advantages?

Either way, I am pleased that the general consensus would seem to be that the Beosound 8 is a reasonable attempt at a dock but one that our resident designer, Tomaz, could improve upon. I confess to agreeing with Trip that the ALT lens on the BV9 did nothing for me and I would actually have it behind the grille! Equally, I like the speaker design of the BS8 as it is, but can see the attraction of the ALT technology. Maybe the lower half of the speaker could be grille, and the upper half recessed with the ALT lens forming a semi-circle to mirror the shape below. I would attempt a drawing but lack Tomaz's immense skill so will not embarrass myself!

Would that be the same medical sciences Peter that relied on patronage and old boy networks for so many years? The tradition of scientific enquiry that was based on the entry criteria of 'what medical school did your father attend' is defunct, outmoded, invalid and repugnant. Hardly logical (or at the very basest, meritocratic).

Many doctors would be well informed by a study of the arts or social sciences. At the very least they would learn that inane platitudes are no substitute for a reasoned discourse.

For those who hide their professional backgrounds, I speak as a social scientist who is halfway through a medical degree, following a successful career as a Civil Servant. Adherents to the traditional English academic discourse of reasoned argument and debate are clearly not welcome here.

Nice design Tomaz.

Graham

(back to the subject - Beosound 8)

Yes tomaz, very nice details.

It sort of reminds me of the Beomaster 1200 I had - solid brushed aluminium. (I paid £3 for it at a jumble sale and another £3 for a pair of Beovox 1702s)

If the back is as good as the front then it's a great piece of work. The Beosound 8 looks very plastiky though I haven't seen it in the flesh

ojibway wrote:

(back to the subject - Beosound 8)

I don't feel able to contribute much to this thread about "post modernist stuff". I'll just wait until somebody asks how to option programme a BeoSound8 👍

Opman