No , mark , I'm agreeing with you.

No sarcasm intended I assure you  !

The gaming lag on this tv is utterly crazy and puts me off totally - 

360 - flappothegrate  -  i play call of duty - a LOT - and i'm sure this tv would pi$$ me off big time !

Butch 

I have to agree Loewe Tvs look great and when they work their very good but to many glitches the hard drives are a nightmare and Loewe didn't have working EPGs as a brand for the best part of three years. The menus are over complicated the internet connections constantly drop signal all you have to do is check online to see the host of problems end users have. 

The menu system with the new Connect ID is the same as pervious models the look with the fabric grill just isn't for me it looks awful in the flesh like a cheap 70's Tv all that said if they get the Connect ID right then spec wise its a well priced Tv. I have to say I actually prefer the look of the old connect Tv to the new Id version but that's just personal taste. 

I never play games so gaming isn't an issue for me. 

I had a loewe , for a short time.. the menu system and the remote control were like something approaching hieroglyphics . I gave up after a few days and sent the damn thing back ...

butch1 wrote:

I turned too the darkside years ago ....

Right, years ago... A lot has changed since then. That includes B&O. Remember the BV7’s, with only one DVI and NOT HD-ready. Talking about darksides and that was only 4 years ago!

Flappo is not sarcastic, indeed. Playing a fast game with a TV that does a lot signal processing, will be unplayable. Try to play a shooting game online, you will loose. Every single time!

Luckily the manual of the V1 says it can be set in “game mode”, so there is minimum delay caused by signal processing. And better news, the picture mode can be selected to a source. So you won’t have to switch picture mode manually each time you watch a movie and switch to play a game. Most TV’s can’t do that.

But Flappo, I guess you have to test this for yourself I’m afraid. 

doubleu The reason why i asked if flappo was being sarcastic was because of his reply after his loewe b&0 comment where he said he wasn't theres no issue.

I'm also well aware of the tvs signal processing getting in the way espeacially when gaming this is one of the major reasons why the v1 is a no go for me.

When i demoed it at the dealers he turned everything he could to off and even turned on the game mode and it was still sluggish and unresponsive other than that the tv as a whole is amazing.

What i like about the loewe is the fact that you can press the green button which switches between game mode on and off and can also be saved for different inputs also.

Maybe alot has changed since then,but loewe tvs are still terrible to operate,like I said performance was good,but using the remote was a joke,and no, nothing has changed over the years regarding loewes being easy to use and navigate.

Its like driving a fast powerful,good looking car with poor gearbox and steering.All the performance but a pain to drive.

The technology is there with loewe,but its too much off a pain to use.Where as b&o try to make it easy for the consumer,The beo 4 in my eyes is the best part of the B&o experience.I have tried the other remotes,but allways go back to the beo4,loewe tried it with the assist.

Flappo wrote:

No , mark , I'm agreeing with you.

No sarcasm intended I assure you  !

The gaming lag on this tv is utterly crazy and puts me off totally - 

360 - flappothegrate  -  i play call of duty - a LOT - and i'm sure this tv would pi$ me off big time !

apologies for the confusion on my part flappo wires got crossed, it is great that alot of people don't play games but if they did then i think they would get the gist of what i'm saying you would feel it  even with the game mode on and i'm telling you and you wouldn't like it.

Again I can't argue Butch Assist just doesn't work you end up not using it I've tried over the last couple of years to use it. They are very good Tvs when they work but the brand has major reliability issues. 

Mark 

You have to try and find out for yourself and hopefully Loewe has sorted many of the issues I've experienced and you will be utterly delighted with your new Tv. 

Neill1975 wrote:

Again I can't argue Butch Assist just doesn't work you end up not using it I've tried over the last couple of years to use it. They are very good Tvs when they work but the brand has major reliability issues. 

Mark 

You have to try and find out for yourself and hopefully Loewe has sorted many of the issues I've experienced and you will be utterly delighted with your new Tv. 

Hi neill i have taken onboard what you have said  and i hope i don't run into any problems when i receive mine, and from the extensive demos i have had with one i seem to know my way round it pretty well now.

butch1 wrote:

Maybe alot has changed since then,but loewe tvs are still terrible to operate,like I said performance was good,but using the remote was a joke,and no, nothing has changed over the years regarding loewes being easy to use and navigate.

Its like driving a fast powerful,good looking car with poor gearbox and steering.All the performance but a pain to drive.

The technology is there with loewe,but its too much off a pain to use.Where as b&o try to make it easy for the consumer,The beo 4 in my eyes is the best part of the B&o experience.I have tried the other remotes,but allways go back to the beo4,loewe tried it with the assist.

You didn’t respond on my comment about the “older” BV7’s. Too bad...

But if you want to compare, did you ever install the internal DVB-HD - tuner on a B&O or make favorite program lists? And if there is a frequency change on some channels, and that happens here a lot lately, how fast can you correct these? My parents can’t do this, so they call me. (which is fine off course)

Zapping to a different channel. Well, here you have your slow gearbox. 

It’s too bad you make this thread into a competetion which brand is easiest to operate, because there is sill a lot of room for improvement for B&O. The only part I agree with you is the beo4 experience. 🙂