Moxxey's point of view is really the only one that will allow you to participate in internet forums without wanting to tear your head off. The reality is that an enthusiast site, by nature, is going to be populated by passionate people, all of whom feel they have some personal stake in the machinations of the product or brand of said forum. It doesn't mean that some things I read don't get under my skin, but it's true that we're all just communicating spontaniously and epigramatically and that can lead to plenty of misunderstanding and percieved hyperbole. 

moxxey wrote:

Mind you, on the flipside, some of the American over-zealous "that's AWESOME!" talk drives me nuts, too :)

I don't , thanks Derek!😕

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I'm not really into this 'Retro'-thing. (thank You for the picture of the Beolit 600, Shinobi'52. I knew I'd seen this before, but couldn't remember the model). 

The reason B&O survived the sixties, when 15-20 other danish radio/tv manufacturers closed (and hundreds around Europe) , was because they started to make something different. Before that, B&O mostly looked like any other brand.
If it hasn't been for Jacob Jensen and David Lewis' futuristic and timeless design, there would have been no B&O today.

And now -in 2011, they say: 'Hey -let's make something that look like a transportable radio we made 50 years ago'...🤔

Since the late sixties people could always recognize a B&O product. This Beolit 12 look like so many other retro products -made in China or Malaysia etc. -on the market today.

I certainly don't hope that's the road B&O is going down with their design... What will be next...A new Beosound 'X' for your livingroom, with a Teak cabinet -inspired by the 'Jet' or 'Grand Prix' models..?  

@Mjmedio.  If you'd read my earlier posts you'd have realised that I was saying wonderful things about this BeoLit! 

Ha yes Trip I do love my MINI, its sips petrol and has low CO2 emissions. Us Europeans are aware of the shortage of oil and are concerned about the environment!!!

You imply that Americans are unaware and don't care? That's only some of us. The Mini's a good seller here. We draw the line at your Fiats apparently. 

mjmedlo wrote:

Paul. ... When is the last time you liked a B&O product?

 

Everything I read from you is negative.

Jonathan wrote:

Paul Winn:

Ive bought B&O in the past but the sad thing is, would I recommend them to a really good friend? No way, i simply could not!  Sorry B&O but i've moved on. I find you overpriced, pretentious and you fail to deliver on performance! My B&O days are totally over and my life is nicer and more fun without them!

 

I don't mean any disrespect, but why are you here then??

You've asked him that before, to be fair.

You don't need to be a current pro-active B&O buyer to be on this board. I'm sure there are many people on here who love their vintage kit and have little or no attention of buying the new stuff. They simply aren't vocal about it! Most people don't say what they feel, they keep their thoughts to themselves.

I don't think it's our position to judge another board member based on whether he's not particularly interested in the current (or forthcoming range). If he thinks they are overpriced and fail on performance, fair enough. Looking back at Paul's posts, I would say he does contradict himself a lot. One minute he's all for a B&O product, then says they are overpriced and pretentious (mind you, a plastic Chinese-made Beolit 12, at £600, perhaps could be argued is overpriced - and I can't see that seling well in an Apple Store - I bet it's made for £20 ;)

I use a Bs3 everyday - mainly for FM ( yes Paul, FM !! ) but I also use it to listen to podcats ( mainly r4 factual stuff) quite abit.  Its good for music, but , imo, it excells at spoken word - so perfect for Radio4. 

So - if the new beolit is more music friendly - DAB, a bit more "depth" of sound, batteries, then I think it has a valid place and a ready market.

Price will be interesting - its up against the PURE & Roberts ranges, as far as I can see... neither of which are up above £300.  The BS3 comparison isn't valid to me - although it is still in the range, its a mono, FM, aluminium product from 6 years ago - in many respects its a legacy product - you may as well compare an early Sony mobile to a new Walkman touchscreen smart phone.

Currently, I use digital Radio ( R6) and streaming (spotify) on my link sytem everyday - but it is via a PC, into a line-in - via cable !!! -and accessed via AV/VTAPE on  my AVANT - so can also be accessed in the garden, kitchen, bathroom etc.

In truth, spotify is probably the most used source in the house - the kids all use it too.

I am interested in a beolit, for sure, subject to the price & specs.  Wonder if it will have rechargeable batteries ??  The picture suggests not.  Not "captive" ones, anyway.

I still listen to FM and much prefer it to DAB from a sound quality point of view. I think B&O badly needs a "proper" quality portable radio, an updated Beolit 600 if you like. The BS3 is too small, and the BS1 was too big. Whether the Beolit 12 fits the bill or not remains to be seen, but from the photo's posted it looks like a cheese grater to me!

Neil.   

Now this looks like an interesting debate - some of the theme of which carries on from the Unboxing Beolab 5 topic - about 'negativity' not being welcomed on the forum etc.  I'll go further, I really think the age of the portable radio is dead, and as for Moxxeys price point of £299 I think you are are least £200 short!!!  I am not sure that this forum is only to applaud everything B&O have done - I mean what is there to applaud about Beolab 4 at £1000 a pair?  I really hope that the pictures of the 'Beolit 12' are of a pre-production model, I am shuddering to think that B&O might even try and market that thing.

BTW I am hopeful that the administrators might allow me to change my user name to something more endearing and less controversial than KingofSnake - can I change my user name to Sepp Blatter?