bwest1000 wrote:

Please excuse my formatting, English is my first language.

My example of multiple TVs and iPads is that I own other products from other brands that are more reliable and dont cost as much as a new car. All of them are interacting and interfacing as described by the brand when sold. This is their webpage, " Meet a wireless loudspeaker that performs beyond reference in every listening scenario. " It doesn't do that. It doesn't do what it says it will do. It doesn't perform beyond reference in every scenario. It has serious issues connecting via its wireless format. You're agreeing with that. You're defending a defective feature of a $40,000 pair of speakers. This product touts itself as wireless in the first line of the overview of their product, right on their website under "Luxurious Beast". You are saying it is defective. The product has a defective feature. A $40,000 pair of speakers has a defective feature. A feature that remains defective. It is a primary selling point of a 40k pair of speakers. A defective feature is a primary selling point of a 40k pair of speakers. Something seems off about selling a 40k pair of speakers with that as the primary selling point but yet the feature is defective.

bwest1000 wrote:

Please excuse my formatting, English is my first language.

My example of multiple TVs and iPads is that I own other products from other brands that are more reliable and dont cost as much as a new car. All of them are interacting and interfacing as described by the brand when sold. This is their webpage, " Meet a wireless loudspeaker that performs beyond reference in every listening scenario. " It doesn't do that. It doesn't do what it says it will do. It doesn't perform beyond reference in every scenario. It has serious issues connecting via its wireless format. You're agreeing with that. You're defending a defective feature of a $40,000 pair of speakers. This product touts itself as wireless in the first line of the overview of their product, right on their website under "Luxurious Beast". You are saying it is defective. The product has a defective feature. A $40,000 pair of speakers has a defective feature. A feature that remains defective. It is a primary selling point of a 40k pair of speakers. A defective feature is a primary selling point of a 40k pair of speakers. Something seems off about selling a 40k pair of speakers with that as the primary selling point but yet the feature is defective.

Just to remove any doubt... I live in a house in the forest. An IP scan shows no other network but mine. My neighbours live down the lane, some way away. I have my wireless router, an S3, BV11, Apple TV 4, Chromecast and Macbook Air, Ipad mini 4 and Iphone SE. Oh... and a pair of BL50's! 

This thread is still arguing the toss about wireless comms when I just don't see that as a problem. I am well aware of the numerous switchings required to go from wired music system to wireless TV sound. And it is ridiculous. But that is not the question?... When they are wired and the input set to auto there is no wireless input. Additionally the TV wireless TX id set to off. So why are you still going off on one about wireless comms?

I'll try put it another way... Occasionally these speakers drift off their reality and live elsewhere. For no explicable reason they decide to go deaf. They can hear no instructions. They heard everything the day before but today has a "y" in it so no! 

And no amount of trying will help. It needs a Windows 95 reboot. 

Personally, for any money, in 2020 that is not acceptable?

Beofile7 wrote:

Just to remove any doubt... I live in a house in the forest. An IP scan shows no other network but mine. My neighbours live down the lane, some way away. I have my wireless router, an S3, BV11, Apple TV 4, Chromecast and Macbook Air, Ipad mini 4 and Iphone SE. Oh... and a pair of BL50's! 

This thread is still arguing the toss about wireless comms when I just don't see that as a problem. I am well aware of the numerous switchings required to go from wired music system to wireless TV sound. And it is ridiculous. But that is not the question?... When they are wired and the input set to auto there is no wireless input. Additionally the TV wireless TX id set to off. So why are you still going off on one about wireless comms?

I'll try put it another way... Occasionally these speakers drift off their reality and live elsewhere. For no explicable reason they decide to go deaf. They can hear no instructions. They heard everything the day before but today has a "y" in it so no! 

And no amount of trying will help. It needs a Windows 95 reboot. 

Personally, for any money, in 2020 that is not acceptable?

As I have said also numerous times, the issues you are experiencing seem limited to your speakers and if so it is probably a faulty hardware somewhere in one or both of them. Have you talked with B&O before calling them just a nightmare? Have they done any diagnosis on them? There is a feature to send the log files in from the web interface of the master speaker, using that they probably easily see what the issue might be. 

As far as wireless goes, it is usually a common reason for glitches to appear. Thats why we have been talking about it. It might not be the case here but it still might be. I do not know. You seemingly refuse to try a solution without it so it is very hard to diagnose further.. But wisa at least for me and many others caused intermittent issues with not being able to turn on or off speakers. In my case just one speaker would turn on at times or both, or one fail at a itme or another, or cause the TV to freeze etc. So many weird glitches for a cable less.

I urge you to let B&O take a look at your speakers, and also to look over your installation and try them perhaps with powerlink cabled instead. The BeoSystem you can connect hopefully as well but I don't know exactly how. With the ML gateway perhaps or some other solution that makes the devices come together maybe. Anyway I will drop my interest and time for this thread as everything I say is taken with angryness instead as of help.

Good luck! 

Beofile7 wrote:

Just to remove any doubt... I live in a house in the forest. An IP scan shows no other network but mine. My neighbours live down the lane, some way away. I have my wireless router, an S3, BV11, Apple TV 4, Chromecast and Macbook Air, Ipad mini 4 and Iphone SE. Oh... and a pair of BL50's!

This thread is still arguing the toss about wireless comms when I just don't see that as a problem. I am well aware of the numerous switchings required to go from wired music system to wireless TV sound. And it is ridiculous. But that is not the question?... When they are wired and the input set to auto there is no wireless input. Additionally the TV wireless TX id set to off. So why are you still going off on one about wireless comms?

I'll try put it another way... Occasionally these speakers drift off their reality and live elsewhere. For no explicable reason they decide to go deaf. They can hear no instructions. They heard everything the day before but today has a "y" in it so no!

And no amount of trying will help. It needs a Windows 95 reboot.

Personally, for any money, in 2020 that is not acceptable?

Hej Mods. Please delete this entire thread? It is now just adding to my nightmare! 

late to the discussion, but still need to add my experience. Initially i was using an Eclipse, with a pair of 18’s and and 19. The 50’s were added later. Wireless connectivity was important to me, as I didn’t want cables running through the living room (or rather my wife didn’t). For me the WISA technical solution, worked fine, especially the 96 Khz / 24 bit sampling rate and the dedicated 5ghz standalone wireless connection.

For watching streamed video, the setup is now, unsurprisingly, 50’s providing Front left and right, the Eclipse, centre, the 18’s rear left and right, and the 19 the base. The sound quality is superb, the latency is excellent. No issues at all. Occasionally, i have to reboot the system, possibly once a month, but no more often. It is annoying when it happens, but certainly happens no more than any of the other kit i have in the house.

However, I wasn't convinced about the hi-fidelity streaming via the eclipse to the 50’s, and whether I was extracting the best quality available from the source (Deezer hifi and Tidal) . I was finding the Chromecast built-in on the eclipse particularly problematic. Consequently, started researching availability of WISA standard equipped pre-amp/DAC’s and came across the PRIMARE PRE35 PRISMA. It only has two channel WISA connectivity, but for Hi-fidelity listening from stereo sources, that is all i needed.

I have to select “Wireless powerlink” on the app, when using the PRIMARE which finds the speakers every time. I have to reselect select Auto when finished listening and wanting to use the TV. Then turn the TV off and on again so that the Eclipse finds the 50’s again, which is a little irritating. But it works every time.

i was so impressed with the sound quality, i decided to have a vinyl renaissance. Consequently, the set up now includes a Rega planar 3 with Exact cartridge / Rega NEO TT PSU and Rega Fono phono stage hard wired to the PRIMARE PRE35, connected to the 50’s via WISA link. I can hear every nuance, include audible differences from platter mat changes and sub platter upgrades. One major advantage of the WISA link is that that the turntable is the other side of the room to the speakers ensuring no interference from the potential bass output of the speakers on the turntable 

I am sure there are hard core audiophiles having an apoplectic fit on the above, but WISA and the BEOLAB speakers, provided a fantastic neat solution.  

Mumbles2021 wrote:

However, I wasn't convinced about the hi-fidelity streaming via the eclipse to the 50’s, and whether I was extracting the best quality available from the source (Deezer hifi and Tidal) . I was finding the Chromecast built-in on the eclipse particularly problematic. Consequently, started researching availability of WISA standard equipped pre-amp/DAC’s and came across the PRIMARE PRE35 PRISMA. It only has two channel WISA connectivity, but for Hi-fidelity listening from stereo sources, that is all i needed.

I have to select “Wireless powerlink” on the app, when using the PRIMARE which finds the speakers every time. I have to reselect select Auto when finished listening and wanting to use the TV. Then turn the TV off and on again so that the Eclipse finds the 50’s again, which is a little irritating. But it works every time.

I am unsure if you are aware or not but in the BeoApp, and selecting BL50 (for me its 90 - but assume its the same), and selecting:-

" . . . " then  "product settings" >> "Configure" >> "Input"  >> " . . . "

brings up in hard white font all the sound input channels.

Wireless Powerlink is top, and is underlined.

The Powerlink, USB, Optical, SPDif, line in etc...

These can be set in order of priority by sliding up and down the list. Higher the need....lower the priority. I have XLR at top priority but most infrequent used

Powerlink, often the most used, placed last.  I find this helps the BL90s select over to the required sound more quickly (and prescribes a measure of "automation" when switching between my XLR streamer or the Eclipse.

I believe you should also be able to set the detection threshold and the time to standby with no signal. Again, this will help with automation of switching from one source to another. (but it is not as instantaneous as the NL/Masterlink systems).

This may help?

Addendum.

The BeoApp does not allow you to set Detect Threshold or Time-out it seems?

The BL90 app does (but no longer available in i-store)

However, direct internet access to the in-speaker app does allow these settings ( e.g. http://192.168.212.xxx/#/ )