Fansastic wrote:

But with a Harmony and wisa beolabs you have the best setup imaginable, even when the Mozart platform proofs to do surround speakers with other single point speakers. You can stream everything to your Harmony. Personally I would always like to use a BV as main music / surround source to drive my BL’s. The way you can tweak al kinds of settings is unparalleled and I do not think this can be done with Mozart platform (or it should be for future beovisions driven by Mozart OS).

So I see a Harmony as a more clever investment then the Contour, even further into the future. Especially because the Harmony can swap panels in future.l

If i’d be confident that your statement is true, i’d probably already bought the harmony some months ago.

It could be ML / BS3 -> NL / BS4 -> Mozart / BS5

Future beolab may no longer support wisa. And no speakers may also not be supported.

Also when it comes to my choices for speakers for the horizon, my best bet today would be the bl50, which is (1) fairly pricey, (2) a bit too large for my place / liking. The bl90 for sure doesn’t fit in my place. The bl18 is an option, but never found it as nice as the iconic bl8000 (which don’t have wisa). abd while i need to see the bl28 live, i’m not sure they’d cut it for me either.

I’m certain there will be several mozart speakers per year coming up. For example i could connect four “mozart bs2” to the horizon.

And even if you’d say that a pair of bl50 will be better than 4 bs2, i’d still don’t like the idea of buying a horizon and being left in a few months with an outdated technology (even if 18 months as someone heard below).

What speakers would you like for surround duties?

My intuition is that from some time (probably late) next year, the Harmony (and whatever other BV's are in the range at that time) will be Mozart based.

That should allow connection to Beolabs (wired or wireless) and Beosounds (i.e one point speakers).

How non Mozart BV's are treated - software update to Mozart wise - is anyones guess (mine would be no, they dont get updated to Mozart).

I'd expect the Stage (or whatever is the equivalent at the time) will be shipped / sold as Mozart enabled too (i.e as a MK2)

But in the end, if you want a BV and the ability to use single point speakers as surrounds, you've got quite a wait ahead of you. 

Your gamble now is hoping a new Harmony (for example) now will get updated to Mozart, so you can get started now. But I'd rate the chance of a Mozart update as no higher than 30%.

There will be MK2 (i.e. Mozart enabled) versions of the current products they want to continue with, all else new will ship with Mozart.

 

steve1977 wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

 

Current Stage/Contour is not built on the Mozart platform.

 

I doubt that that will take 18 months.

 

Maybe when a Contour 55 will come - that would be perfect timing.

 

MM

 

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

 

 

 

I really hope B&O would release info about this feature. If mozart allows to be a surround processor (stage / contour / etc) and allow mozart speakers to be satellites, this would be quite a massive new feature.

 

 

I’ll eventually buy a contour and a harmony. But i’m waiting for some news on what mozart will bring. I don’t want to make such investment and a few months later the whole audio architecture moves to the next generation. I don’t mind smaller changes (adding / removing radio, deezer, dlna), but i don’t want my audio system to be so outdated.

 

 

If mozart indeed allows to build a surround speakers with mozart speakers, this would be quite a game changer and innovative. it currently only be done via wisa (requiring wisa compatible speakers) or via sonos (in an all sonos setup). mozart would basically bring b&o at the same technology level as sonos, which would be huge…

 

Not knowing anything - so just speculating - I’d find it more likely that they keep the Harmony/Eclipse as is untill later.

First thing to do would be to upgrade the Stage/Contour to the Mozart platform - this way making it possible to add the new (Mozart-based) speakers as surround speakers......of course after the release of the NL/speaker link/multiroom function for those.

The Harmony/Eclipse is WiSA enabled for a lot of those speakers, that owners of these BV’s will prefer to use - means there already is a wireless platform for additional speakers.

With the Stage/Contour it would make a difference and it would generate sales of extra speakers (like the Balance and what may come) fitting into a somewhat smaller setup.

Let’s see what comes........very exciting times. indeed..

MM

agreed,  I dont think there will be any hurry to update Eclipse / Harmony to Mozart versions any time soon. Eventually new BVs will be I imagine.

And yes, I'd imagine the Stage changes to a Mozart Stage first.

Its been such a busy release schedule for them over the last few months, its not unreasonable to expect things to quieten down somewhat.

 

Millemissen wrote:

Not knowing anything - so just speculating - I’d find it more likely that they keep the Harmony/Eclipse as is untill later.

First thing to do would be to upgrade the Stage/Contour to the Mozart platform - this way making it possible to add the new (Mozart-based) speakers as surround speakers......of course after the release of the NL/speaker link/multiroom function for those.

The Harmony/Eclipse is WiSA enabled for a lot of those speakers, that owners of these BV’s will prefer to use - means there already is a wireless platform for additional speakers.

With the Stage/Contour it would make a difference and it would generate sales of extra speakers (like the Balance and what may come) fitting into a somewhat smaller setup.

Let’s see what comes........very exciting times. indeed..

MM

 

I went yesterday afternoon to my local B&O dealer to see and audition the new BL 28.

I was very pleasantly surprised that " in person" they look infinitely more attractive than in the photos - I really liked them.

I have also concluded that I would prefer straight up and down rather than the bass unit being mounted on the wall. 

I got the opportunity to play around a bit with the app and there are clearly lots of opportunities to tweak the sound based on certain " moods" as well as enabling/disabling the room adaption system.

Streaming to these speakers either by bluetooth or apple play is a breeze and the labels opening and closing really provides additional visual appeal. 

No complaint about the sound, although at times the bass was a bit over the top, quite boomy. However, I would imagine that a different setting could solve that issue.

My current set up is a BL 18 and 19, and I am not sure if the BL 28 is heads and shoulders better - something I will need to consider in greater detail before making a decision. 

However, my biggest question mark is whether the bass unit in BL 28 can take on the role of the BL 19 in my 5.1 home theater set up.

If my requirement was for attractive, entertaining and  freestanding speakers that I want to use to simply stream music to - we would be done and I think they would be absolutely brilliant in that role.

Unfortunately, I have a bit of a complex set up and will need to ponder this a bit further.

However, without doubt these are exceptionally nice speakers and congratulations to Bang & Olufsen! 

A handful of folks saying the bass on BL28 is out of control...

Nothing some EQ can’t fix, I imagine. 

Curly wrote:

A handful of folks saying the bass on BL28 is out of control...

Nothing some EQ can’t fix, I imagine. 

Why have them set like this in the showroom?

Do normal people still like speakers to sound like this once they've grown up?

Maybe they're going to launch a Citroën C3 mounting kit👍

I popped in to a B&O store just a few minutes before they closed for the day, but could see and listen to BL 28. I really liked them! Very cool and good looking speakers, with an impressive sound. A big plus for the moving wood. It felt B&O all the way.

1990 wrote:

Sandyb wrote:

Network Link (or Speaker Link as it is to be called) will be first, and thats seemingly slipping towards the end of this year.

Do you know more about this? Looking at the choice of words there will be no integrated streaming service (Deezer) but just a Join/multiroom experience? Moving away from selecting your music through a B&O interface. Very curious how this will play with the BLI/BLGW.

This is the only thing I have read on this page How can I play music in different rooms with Beolab 28?

"Beolink will become available in the second half of 2021 through a simple software update" 

https://support.bang-olufsen.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019772238-How-can-I-play-music-in-different-rooms-with-Beolab-28- 

 

Millemissen wrote:

First thing to do would be to upgrade the Stage/Contour to the Mozart platform - this way making it possible to add the new (Mozart-based) speakers as surround speakers......of course after the release of the NL/speaker link/multiroom function for those.

My dealer told me in January this year he was expecting an upgraded Stage MK2 or even a more expensive Stage+ which would enable people to connect additional B&O speakers. Makes sense. I'd certainly jump at this opportunity. Stage would become your centre speaker I guess. Plus you could add a sub!