Beolab 14 sub

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js wrote:

Steve, thank you for your contribution, this seems to open options for new implementations. But I do not understand how you can achieve a 2.1 setup from an audio source with your cable solution.

For 2.1, the BL14 needs 3 inputs: L+R+sub (in contrast to BL2 and BL11 which only need L+R). However the audio source will output L+R channels only, but no sub channel.

Your cable solution seems to suggest that you direct the L signal to the FL input of the BL14, and the R signal to the FR input, and that:

- either you direct both the L and R signals to the sub input as well. But as far as I know, you can NOT just direct two L+R signals into a single sub input: these two signals will not just nicely combine, mix and sum up into one single sub input;

- or you direct the L (or R) signal to the sub input and the R (or L) signal to the center channel input. But in this case the sub will reproduce the bass of only one of the two stereo channels and you will miss a substantial part of the music.

Could you please clarify how your solution addresses this. Many thanks in advance.

js

Hi js and Vienna,

Thanks for the updates and questions.  My initial aim so far has been to support the UK stores with their demonstration systems ready for the Beolab 14 launch, which by necessity has meant finding working solutions to a wide variety of challenges at short notice, with little information openly available.  Now that Beolab 14 has been publicly launched, we can carry out further testing to find the best considered solutions for customers' homes.

To address your questions js, the initial approach to give 2.1 sound from Beolab 14 was to send the basic stereo signal as follows:-

Left signal to subwoofer, front left, rear left (bass information is normally similar in both channels)

Right signal to centre (where fitted), front right, rear right

Whilst this may not be ideal (as it does not give 100% correct bass or centre channel information), this gives a workable temporary approach for use in-store (on the 4.1 system, this works very well as the centre channel is not displaced).  The bass channel is mono on Beolab 14 and this approach allows the bass management software of the Beolab 14 to distributte the bass and mid/treble signals accordingly.

Hi Vienna, I am very interested to learn that it may be possible to give 2.1 sound from a stereo source via a single cable, this is not something that I had time to test prior to the launch.  However, my understanding is that this is not done via the RJ45 inputs, but using the 15 pin D-Sub socket located near to the Powerlink inputs.  A wider choice of cables using this input are my next project 🙂

It is still less than 72 hours after the official launch party, so we may not have all the answers for a more few days yet......  I'm happy to investigate additional ways to integrate this superb speaker system into any home or in-store application and I'm always keen to hear your thoughts and views. 

Kind regards, Steve.

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Still no userguide online, but some interesting things if you search for BeoLab 14 FAQ there.

Greetings Millemissen

Location: Flensborg————Danmark

Steve at Sounds Heavenly wrote:

Hi Vienna, I am very interested to learn that it may be possible to give 2.1 sound from a stereo source via a single cable,
this is not something that I had time to test prior to the launch. 

However, my understanding is that this is not done via the RJ45 inputs, but using the 15 pin D-Sub socket located near to the Powerlink inputs. 

NO 15 pin reqired  - just a single B&O or Sounds Heavenly DIN<>RJ or RJ<>RJ POWERLINK CABLE is needed for 2.1
(as already clearly stated in my previous post) 

-  YOU DON'T NEED ANY Y-SPLITTER OR SPECIAL PL-CABLE to connet the BeoLab 14 in plain stereo 2.1 mode,
   a SINGLE PL CABLE DIN<>RJ or RJ<>RJ will be sufficient. (sorry Steve ...)

Thanks Vienna!

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I can't see why people would spend £2,500 on a set of 5.1 speakers and then connect them by the headphone jack to their TV, it seems crazy.

The whole idea of surround sound for me is hearing the sound as it was intended to be, which is achieved through Dolby & DTS formats. For this you need a decoder (normally built into BeoVisions) which your sources connect into by HDMI (even Sky now sends Dolby Digital over HDMI) and then you have your BeoLab 14 connected to that.

Options for doing this would be:

http://www.denon.co.uk/uk/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=HomeTheatre&SubId=AVReceivers&ProductId=AVRX3000

http://www.rotel.com/UK/products/ProductDetails.htm?Id=501&Tab=2&Pic=1

http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx-v775_g/?mode=model

fishta wrote:

I can't see why people would spend £2,500 on a set of 5.1 speakers and then connect them by the headphone jack to their TV, it seems crazy.

Hi fishta,

I never wonder "why", only "how"! 😕

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Good on you Steve !

I need all the "how" help I can get to understand the potentials of this wee beastie

Enjoyed listening to the beolab 14 at B&O flagship store at Bredgade in Copenhagen yesterday.

Unfortunately they only played the demo clips from Les Miserables. A lot of details in the sound, but no punch in the soundtrack. Need to try out with some other material some day. The speakers looked nice in real life though.

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Just came across the 'Quick Guide for BL14'!!!

As you can quite clearly see, Bang & Olufsen intended a stereo line-in connection 'out of the box'.

A 'RJ45-PL cable to RCA (stereo) cable' just has to be connected and 'MODE' must be in 'LINE' - that is all 😎

 

Sorry to say it...

.....if you, Vienna, and your dealer already played around with this stuff, you must have seen the 'Quick Guide' long ago!

If you, Steve, already setup several BL14-systems, you too must have taken notice of this 'Quick Guide' several days ago.

And therefore, no need to consult the B&O-support for asking if and how to connect e.g. a Playmaker with the BL14.

And no need for suggesting different cables for a possible connection.

 

I find it quite clear - when you see this drawing -  that you easily can connect any stereo source to the BL14 - could be a non-B&O-tv (with the appropriate outputs), a BeoLink Active, a Beosystem or a Playmaker.

Might even be a good opportunity for dealers to sell a Playmaker/BL14-combo!

 

Grrrr! Millemissen

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Hiort wrote:

Enjoyed listening to the beolab 14 at B&O flagship store at Bredgade in Copenhagen yesterday.

Unfortunately they only played the demo clips from Les Miserables. A lot of details in the sound, but no punch in the soundtrack. Need to try out with some other material some day. The speakers looked nice in real life though.

Happy owner of: BV10 40", 2 x Beocom 2, Beocom 6000, Beocenter 2, Beolab 3, Beolab 2000, Beo4, Beolab 11, Playmaker

1:st prize winner Beoworld January Price Draw 2011 (BL8000).

That music is dreadful and is very much an acquired taste. When our dealer put on something a little more modern and punchy everyone took notice and exclaimed how good it sounded.
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