mbolo01 wrote:

The new app behaves like any DLNA controller by browsing what the DLNA server exposes, not more, like my old Sony TV does and less evolved than some freeware like Sesam Music app I introduced earlier in this post.

It does not store anything to be processed later on like for indexing. Searching, grouping

The former app is leveraging what has been processed by the B&O device, being a Moment or an Essence which are exposing their collection differently and only understandable by B&O app

This is my view and Thomas answer is a confirmation that no post processing is in the pipe for DLNA and I anticipate no integration with « legacy » products such as the Moment or the Essence BS Moment, BL 18, BL 19, A6, M5, A1, H5

Hi mboli01,

I agree, that there is no processing in the new App, never said that, - but disagree with the grouping. The later can be „easily“ programmed in every DLNA-App. for example have a look on the App 8player. In the settings of this App, you can choose how the DLNA-content needs to be presented/sorted. There is no processing or a database necessary - it is just a different approach of sorting the tags within the files. Btw. - regarding the Essence - there was never a processing done. The processing and the creation of a database happened in the BS-Moment only and the result was „handed“- over to the old BeoMusic-App. You never had these databased-connected feature with the BS-Essence.

Finally the DLNA features were not my issue, I just complained about the order/grouping in Favorite Albums in Deezer - and I am happy that it will change in the upcoming Version.

Maybe we are meaning the same. BTW, thank you, for the Sesam-App recommendation.

Cheers Beroli

Beroli wrote:

Maybe we are meaning the same.

Yes we are meaning the same, maybe a small difference in what processing means. For me sorting/presenting differently than the source is processing.

Processing always includes the need to store the data collected to process it, being in a database, a xml or a flat file, in volatile memory or not, this is what Sesam and 8Player are surely doing.

I'm not familiar with the Essence, reason why I assumed it was the same type of device than the Moment, i.e reading DLNA collection items tags, storing and processing the information to present it to client application.

DLNA is an issue for me, but fortunately Twonky and the JB interface are filling the gap. Moment search is really the best combined search I've seen.

Cheers

Much much better than Sesam:

http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/28871/229507.aspx#229507

Beroli and MM will like this

 

MrAndersen wrote:

 

Hi all

Next version will bring alphabetical sorting on artist for albums and tracks. Secondary sorting on album titles. From the filtering you can search on artist, album or track, depending on the list. So writing the artist name in a track list will give you tracks by that artist. The next version will give you the option to change the sort order, still working the choices but date added will be there.

Unfortunately Dlna will not benefit, it is served paged and cannot be sorted on the phone.

New version will roll out next week.

Thomas, Bang & Olufsen

 

Dear Thomas,

wow, that was fast. Love it. Thank you very much.

Have a great Weekend ahead.

Cheers Oliver

 

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mbolo01 wrote:

Much much better than Sesam:

http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/28871/229507.aspx#229507

Beroli and MM will like this

 

As you can see in the thread the Glider app is not new to me.

However, I could not get that working at that time....

....and I still can’t (just tried again).

It sees my servers, but does not show the content.

MM

I‘ve purchased the glider-App. Unfortunately a waste of Money for me. Very often the App won‘t remember the choosen and synced Server. The Serverlist is vanishing. Sometimes if I tried to stream to the BS-Moment it works well and after some while the stream stops out of the blue. Although I like the very neat surface including the index sideline, the App is not stable enough.

Cheers Beroli

yes, i understood the Deezer Album favourites sorting issue.

i hadn't quiet appreciated that DLNA search would not come to the app. I get the issue, i.e. that functionality cant be done on the phone, and is dependant on the DLNA server. 

Saying that though, i still dont understand why could the old Beo Music app do it/ (search)

 

 

Hi Sandyb,

the old App was able to use the database, which was created during the processing with the BS-Moment. On the BeoMusicApp, you have only the possibility to search DLNA-content, within the BS-Moment tab - not within the BS-Essence-tab.

As far as I understood Thomas, the new App does not have the ability to read and search the compiled DLNA-database-file provided from the BS-Moment. Since the BS-Moment is now EOL and the new Devices aren't creating such databases, it seems there is no need anymore to put more effort or manpower on the task to write such API. In the first BS-Moment days, the 1-capital-search was the most criticized feature. Therefore B&O needed to implement the feature into the BeoMusic-App. Nowadays, the search function on the BS-Moment Jukebox is working perfect/seamless over DLNA and Deezer-content.  Maybe another reason to scratch this feature (my assumption regarding the POV with B&O).

The new App is just reading the provided pages of the several DLNA-Servers. Some DLNA-server offer a bigger variety of these pages, when it comes to different categories (Playlists, Album, Album by artist, Date, recently added...) - some of them don‘t. Some DLNA-Server (e.g. minimServer) create their own searchable database - some (pure Synology-NAS) don't. A searchable database is not in the common DLNA-protocol. Because of this and because the different TAG-quality of the DLNA-content, it is difficult to program a all-over-DLNA-content-search API fitting for every available DLNA-Server. In Addition, just imagine a customer with files like track01.mp3 -no Tags implemented - there is no way to process these files without processing the fingerprint in the file itself. On the BS-Moment it takes hours to create a searchable database because of this task. It summary, it would be to much within a App, which is just focused on “read-only“-the-pages from the choosen DLNA-Server.

A implementation of a DLNA-search is possible only with Servers, which are providing their own database including a search-option - but then some customers would complain, maybe because their own Server does not provide such database. 

In the App 8player it is possible to do a all-over-search in your DLNA-content. It is very fast - but only if connected to Servers, which are providing said database. Searching a track, album or Artist on MinimServer works perfect, while the Twonky-Server is crashing everytime, if I try the search-funktion within the App.

Maybe these are the reasons, why B&O decided to push back on the search-option. Maybe I have it all wrong. ;-)

Cheers Beroli

Thanks for the background, thats informative and makes sense.

There is still obviously an element of choice, by B&O, in not providing that same ability(in the new app) to read / search the DLNA database file - i understand that now to an extent.

And while others may have realised this, it is clear then that the new app will not provide a full-ish solution for music - with DLNA support missing, and playlist management. Both need to be done externally to the app. 

So while the app has a more modern look, and i appreciate the communication from the team here, what have we achieved beyond folding everything (?) into one app?, and losing some functionality along the way.

We still dont have source control at a basic level - the old BeoRemote app was useful in that respect. 

I wonder if that functionality from the BeoRemote app will be introduced into the new app.

 

Beroli wrote:

the App is not stable enough.

I was not promoting the app itself but the features:

Build a local database in a reasonable amount of time

Leverage DLNA tags including genre, date

Provides rulers with letters or numbers to jump into collection

Clean interface

I have tried the free version and so far I had one major issue: it does not harvest more than 1,8k tracks when Syncing with my Twonky server while it harvests the full 38k tracks of the same collection when leveraging the QNAP native server