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Dkatz...
I love you. I would hire you in a skinny second to wave my corporate flag! No questions asked...
But that is it...
I appreciate your glimpses of how the corporate world functions in world corporate, but from someone who actually lives it rather than has studied it... which I respect...
Welcome to 2012.
Dkatz...
I love you. I would hire you in a skinny second to wave my corporate flag! No questions asked...
But that is it...
I appreciate your glimpses of how the corporate world functions in world corporate, but from someone who actually lives it rather than has studied it... which I respect...
Welcome to 2012.
Not every corporation or company is run the same. B&O to me was like RR, Lotus, and many other companies that don't outsource for all the reasons I mentioned as they were a luxury goods manufacturer and high end A/V company. I have many friends who also work in the corporate world, and who own their own companies that manufacture. I didn't simply study the matter and their opinions, and those of many of the companies I interviewed, differ greatly from yours, many people on the forum, and perhaps that of B&Os in 2012.
No offence but I wouldn't want to wave the flag of a company I didn't believe in. I am a person of principal, and I highly admire, respect and support companies that still hold their principals at heart and build their products with passion, who support their local community and strive for quality and don't outsource their manufacturing to developing countries. I live in 2012 and I live the way I want to and I as a consumer have a choice of who to support and what to buy. So do the companies whether they decide to outsource and focus merely on profit or not.
John – It is so blatantly obvious that you are Jonathan and have just changed your name as you promised not to contribute anymore.
I'm sorry if you get that impression Daniel - I can assure you I've not had the pleasure to the best of my knowledge of meeting Jonathon, let alone knowing him or being him. I'ts possible I may have met him on the one B&O/Beoworld event I went to a couple of years ago it must be now, in Camberwell here in Melbourne, but other than here on the forums, I have no knowledge of him.
I appreciate that on some forums, such as PFM where I used to hang out in my Naim days, that arguments can and do get very personal unfortunately, and such subterfuges as registering under different names etc were not uncommon at all; however I can assure you that I am not Jonathon, and also from a point of personal integrity would not behave in such a manner.
Also, my opinons are just that, opinions, and are niether designed by intent or accident to offend anyone, including you Daniel.
I appreciate your passion; it is laudable, but in reality everyone is going to have differing points of view.
I would contend that right now the only one that matters is that B&O survive and grow, and not go the way of my theoretical scenario re D&M holdings etc.
As such, I would support Tue's sound business decision to introduce a more affordable 'sub brand' if you will, that will allow many of us who have many diverse financial priorities in life, to partake of owning HiFi and video equipment that is of very high quality and features highly also in terms of ownership satisfaction and performance.
I would hope that despite the passion and self belief of your arguments that you will continue to support B&O by buying it's products - at the end of the day, that is the only thing that will keep it around in the years ahead for us all to be able to enjoy the products they create.
Once again, my apologies if you feel I was masquerading as Jonathon.
Kind Regards
John... 😐
The only merit in that comment... is what I origanlly thought...
YOU are A1 certifiable.
Well isn't it odd that someone named John instead of Johnathan who is also from Melbourne, suddenly starts to contribute to the forum under the name John as soon as "Jonathan" promises to stop contributing and the first thing he starts talking about is how he supports Jonathan... Kind of obvious if you ask me...
Not every corporation or company is run the same. B&O to me was like RR, Lotus...
As Lotus is your self proclaimed Rosettta Stone... I will reiterate... they are now a Malaysian company. A Malaysian company that is one torn tendon (or lack of BL12 in their portfolio) from being wholey owned by China.
Start waving, please! ...or set down you Chinese keyboard.
The only merit in that comment... is what I origanlly thought...
YOU are A1 certifiable.
Well isn't it odd that someone named John instead of Johnathan who is also from Melbourne, suddenly starts to contribute to the forum under the name John as soon as "Jonathan" promises to stop contributing and the first thing he starts talking about is how he supports Jonathan... Kind of obvious if you ask me...
I guess you missed the post immediately above yours...
SHOCKER.
Apparently Jonathan is now outsourcing to John.
Hope it is to stuff cash in his pocket, or your whole argument just crashed.
I guess you missed the post immediately above yours...
SHOCKER.
Apparently Jonathan is now outsourcing to John.
Hope it is to stuff cash in his pocket, or your whole argument just crashed.
His post was approved after I posted mine so no, I didn't see his post till later. Him saying what he did doesn't mean he isn't Jonathan, either way it doesn't really matter. I didn't say that profit was the only reason from outsourcing, look at my previous posts in which I listed other reasons that companies do.
Lotus is owned by a Malaysian company but again, that does not make it Malaysian if it is assembled by hand in the UK, designed in the UK, with their HQ in the UK... Both Lotus and Proton don't consider Lotus to be Malaysian, and neither does anyone who buys it and doesn't know that it is owned by Proton (and most people who even do). My car was owned during the time when GM owned Lotus. So it used to be American, then French (Bugatti, the man was actually Italian), now Malaysian? And all the while they haven't really changed their manufacturing or their philosophy... You might think differently, but I guess when they put "Product of" a certain country that doesn't apply according to you... And neither does the fact that it didn't matter over the years who owned Lotus as their manufacturing, design and philosophy is still very inherently British in nature and not a trace of Malaysian...
I guess you missed the post immediately above yours...
SHOCKER.
Apparently Jonathan is now outsourcing to John.
Hope it is to stuff cash in his pocket, or your whole argument just crashed.
His post was approved after I posted mine so no, I didn't see his post till later. Him saying what he did doesn't mean he isn't Jonathan, either way it doesn't really matter. I didn't say that profit was the only reason from outsourcing, look at my previous posts in which I listed other reasons that companies do.
Lotus is owned by a Malaysian company but again, that does not make it Malaysian if it is assembled by hand in the UK, designed in the UK, with their HQ in the UK... Both Lotus and Proton don't consider Lotus to be Malaysian, and neither does anyone who buys it and doesn't know that it is owned by Proton (and most people who even do). My car was owned during the time when GM owned Lotus. So it used to be American, then French (Bugatti, the man was actually Italian), now Malaysian? And all the while they haven't really changed their manufacturing or their philosophy... You might think differently, but I guess when they put "Product of" a certain country that doesn't apply according to you... And neither does the fact that it didn't matter over the years who owned Lotus as their manufacturing, design and philosophy is still very inherently British in nature and not a trace of Malaysian...
Dkatz...
My brain hurts.
Life sucks...
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/highlights/198097-a-chinese-buyer-for-lotus.html
Somebody stick a fork in this, PLEASE!
Dkatz...
My brain hurts.
Life sucks...
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/highlights/198097-a-chinese-buyer-for-lotus.html
A. A Chinese company or person is only one of the "Potential" buyers.
B. Even if a Chinese company buys them it doesn't mean it will become a Chinese company. Volvo is still Swedish, designed, engineered and manufactured in Sweden even if a Chinese company owns it. They have no plans for manufacturing Volvo's in China. Lotus is considered a luxury sports car in China and in fact has a new market there. As other have mentioned, Chinese people buy the car exactly because it is a car that is made in England and not China, just like RR.
C. Lotus has been sold and resold over the years. Proton has wanted to sell it since 2000, so it's kind of old news. There were many potential buyers over 10 years ago and it didn't go through. No point in talking about something that hasn't happened.
No point in talking about something that hasn't happened.
Exactly...
Your smartest post yet.
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