Bang and Olufsen Outsourced

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moxxey wrote:

Jonathan wrote:

What a stupid thread this is! It just goes round and round and round and round in circles

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And Dkatz has to answer every single g*d d*mn reply. And they are starting to get silly - the discussion about pricing, coming from a company that's had to cut back significantly, was struggling to make money and Dkatz is telling us why they went wrong by attempting to increase margins to make more money? Seriously, I'd never employ someone like Dkatz in a million years. He'd drive everyone out of my company.

I find it funny though. Here am I sitting here, as a long standing B&O customer, loving my BS8 and they are telling me how poor it is. I didn't know I so clueless. I only work for some of the biggest tech magazine brands in the world. I knew I was a failure.

The point is that B&O should make money off their products and I am sure they did off the BS1 and BS3, but not nearly the profit margin they are making of the BS8 which costs almost twice as much as the BS3 and almost as much as the BS1. My point is they could have made a huge amount of money selling the BS8 for half the price, they didn't transfer their 50 times savings in labour manufacturing cost to the consumer. They sold it for almost the same price as the BS1 yet made a hell of a lot more profit.

From a business perspective it's great, but from a consumer standpoint it's a ripoff that a company should be so greedy as to charge such a ridiculous price for something that cost them a lot less than their equivilent danish or czech made unit to make yet don't charge much less!

The forum wouldn't go on for as long as it had if everyone had answered and replied to every question that I posed as I did to theirs! The fact that I am repeating myself constantly and repeating my questions is because most people have only answered the few they felt would justify their point rather than any others that might jeapordize it!

 

SΓΈren Mexico wrote:

Jonathan wrote:

What a stupid thread this is! It just goes round and round and round and round in circles

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What can you inspect from a 27 year old, with 200 years of experience.

 

I never claimed to have had 200 years of experience and my age does not indicate intellect, experience, or education. There are 27 year olds that know more about outsourcing, manufacturing and global economics more than 50 year olds if they had for example studied the subject as a masters degree as I had. Likewise there are 50 year olds who think they know a great deal because they work in the industry, but everyone in the industry has a differing oppinion. I have talked to many companies that didn't outsource and some that did as well and asked about their motives, etc... I did not get my information or my points out of my ass as some have implied here. I have conducted much research and many interviews on the subject and wrote my dissertation on it. That's more than most people have done, even with their experience. Everyone's experience is different, so is everyones opinion!

dkatz! enough already!

Bv7Mk3 wrote:

                                                         The End?

The end has not yet been written Β© Cyan Worlds ...

... but I'd like to know, what has B&O to say on this issue?

How are the working conditions in this particular factory where Beosound 8 and Beolit 12 are assembled?

Are the wages an issue or is it more a question of production capacity (Well, let's start 10,000 Beosound 8s. oops we need 20,000 more next week! or: Let's start install capacities for 50,000 Beolit 12s. Oops: We only need 30,000. A bigger factory is able to diversify on other products ...

Is there any competent person to answer?

 

 

 

Location: Eastwestfalia

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Maybe Dkatz knows, he studied a Masters!!

I feel like this will never end!!  

 

I have lost interest now, B&O WERE IN FINANCIAL TROUBLE! THAT IS WHY THEY NEEDED A PRODUCT THAT SOLD, THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE MADE BS8 & BS12!

 

They couldnt keep producing products in Denmark!  

 

Why do you keep insisting that they can produce products in Denmark when they have had a tough 5 years, people arent willing to spend thousands on products anymore.  You cannot run a business relying on these people, you keep mentioning rolls royce and bentley these are cars not tv's and the companies aren't owned by the original people either!  Is that because they are so profitable, they sold them on?? No!!  Its because the car manufacturers want the best brands out there, no matter how much it loses!

 

you keep insisting that people on the forum skip over your replies, you are skipping over the big picture also!! B&O would only need to outsource because they had to.  They couldn't keep going if they didn't change, end of story!!

 

I am glad they are looking at new strategies, hopefully meaning they will be here for years to come.  Would the chosen few be happier if they went into bankrupcy, making everything in denmark?

 

I have numerous apple products and I think are excellently built, I could post some pictures but lets not get into what i've got again!!

 

Get a grip on reality guys, if you don't like it vote with your feet!! 

Nickyg63 wrote:

 

Get a grip on reality guys, if you don't like it vote with your feet!! 

 

Absolutely. It's the best way. For me the personal interest in a dock speaker is 0. If I was a collector I would buy them, but I'm not a collector. 

When I need portable music, I use headphones with my iPhone. When I listen and enjoy my music properly, I sit down in my sofa, pour a beer and a whisky, or a glass of red, and relax. Enjoying the wonderful sound of the BL5's. Ahhhh. What pleasure and relaxing sensation.

 

Some people might enjoy the BS8 or Blit12, but it's not for me. I can say that without even listening to it. It's the same with all iThing docks, be it B&O or B&W.

Saying that I don't think I've heard anyone who actually bought a BS8 say anything negative about it.

I don't like outsourcing, but that's not only for B&O, it's for Europe, USA etc for us "westerners" It's going to become a huge social problem in the future.

 

And we should keep this thread going. It's sort of the BS8 and Beolit12 of Beoworld. The forum has been in a recession post wise, we need it back on it's feet! 😐

Dkatz wrote:
The forum wouldn't go on for as long as it had if everyone had answered and replied to every question that I posed as I did to theirs! The fact that I am repeating myself constantly and repeating my questions is because most people have only answered the few they felt would justify their point rather than any others that might jeapordize it!

Pot, kettle... I haven't seen much agreement even on the basic premise that B&O is a categorical "high end manufacturer". 15 pages and 350+ posts later you keep building all your arguments on that and using some such mom & pop company for comparison, over and over again as if you didn't even read what others write.

I see that about one page ago you once again asked why B&O doesn't outsource everything if China is so great. Oh for heaven's sake!

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Time for me to bail out I guess. Life is too short.

Don't stop it now, at the very least it's funny.

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