Tod Daniel wrote:

I totally agree!  My ears don't lie. I can tell within a few seconds whether a sound system is good or not. The BS8 as I said sounds absolutely rubbish to my ears and the fact that £299 micro systems sound so better better in every way.  BS8 - Horrible, cheaply made little rip off.

If this is true then it is a function of the design and not who assembled it, or where. If B&O are designing horrible, cheap looking, poorly performing product then shame on them. In the case of the BS8 however, there would seem to be 10's of thousands who disagree!

I haven't even heard the BS8.

I haven't set foot in a B&O store for over a year. And the BS8 isn't for me.

Would be interesting to hear it though. Maybe I should go for a demo...

Jonathan wrote:

Question for you: if there was a Chinese chef who was the best chef in the world, could produce every dish on your menu perfectly every time, could have every plate ready on time, and could do it at half the cost price you're paying now; would you hire him?

@Jonathan

Not exactly sure who this question was aimed at specifically, or whether it was a question for anyone or everyone.

My answer to it though would be :

Yes! As I am, in no way, a racist person, of course I would hire the Chinese Chef if he was that good at his job, and if it cost me less to hire him too that would make it a double whammy! Absolutely, that would be a very smart move for a shrewd business owner!......

However, I wouldnt outsource (i.e. move location) my restaurant to China in order to benefit from hiring the excellent Chef!!

If the Chef was willing to come to my restaurant, in my country, and perform his excellent work - that would be great!. But I'm not going to move my restaurant to China in order to benefit from the Chefs skills!

bayerische wrote:

I haven't even heard the BS8.

 

I haven't set foot in a B&O store for over a year. And the BS8 isn't for me.

 

Would be interesting to hear it though. Maybe I should go for a demo...

Yes. Same with me.

Not interested myself in ipod dock or anything of that kind, due to the fact I dont own any apple product. (And if I did get an iphone / ipad it would be for use as either a phone / tablet laptop.)

But would still be interested to listen to one though, to hear how good it sounds. 🤒

Bentleyman wrote:

Jonathan wrote:

Question for you: if there was a Chinese chef who was the best chef in the world, could produce every dish on your menu perfectly every time, could have every plate ready on time, and could do it at half the cost price you're paying now; would you hire him?

 

 

@Jonathan

Not exactly sure who this question was aimed at specifically, or whether it was a question for anyone or everyone.

My answer to it though would be :

Yes! As I am, in no way, a racist person, of course I would hire the Chinese Chef if he was that good at his job, and if it cost me less to hire him too that would make it a double whammy! Absolutely, that would be a very smart move for a shrewd business owner!......

However, I wouldnt outsource (i.e. move location) my restaurant to China in order to benefit from hiring the excellent Chef!!

If the Chef was willing to come to my restaurant, in my country, and perform his excellent work - that would be great!. But I'm not going to move my restaurant to China in order to benefit from the Chefs skills!

Excellent reply!

I think he was aiming it to me, as a restaurant owner myself.

Puncher wrote:

 In the case of the BS8 however, there would seem to be 10's of thousands who disagree!

But maybe THAT is the problem for B&O. A bit like "A" levels in the UK education system. As a Layman to the technicalities I would comment as such:-

Most adore the iPod, it holds your music convienently

But is it the best quality device out there or just convieneint?

Do we buy it for "features", real audiophile quality or it can be owned relatively inexpensively?

How much music is keep by peoples iPod/PC's at inferior bit/sample rates?

How many people play their iPod/Mac/Computer music through high-quality loudspeakers - most want cheap and easy.

How many recording studios alter the sound of CD and internet music so it sounds good on those little white ear-phones rather than a top-end system?

How can a $300 PC with a CD/DVD/BR rip a CD as good as the orignial CD?

How can the software algorithym ensure accurate playback?

I see the problem not as B&O getting more and more expensive. I see the problem as other manufacturers becomeing more and more inexpensive - with a pseudo trait at becomming better. There is a flock metality, a gravitas to this current culture just perhaps as in the 60's, 70's and 80's the gravitas was for more audiophilic qualities. I feel we have indeed "dumbed-down" and gone cheap. B&O's problem in my mind is they have taken a long time to realise where the market is going/gone (somewhat counter-intuitive to them perhaps - and just like Kodak) and they struggle to find buyers for their products because a) they are too expensive, b) they are not made in Denmark, c) the new delivery systems are retro-progressive.

Puncher wrote:

In the case of the BS8 however, there would seem to be 10's of thousands who disagree!

But maybe THAT is the problem for B&O.  A bit like "A" levels in the UK education system; what we have today is not as good as yeater-year?

As a Layman to the technicalities I would comment as such:-

Most adore the iPod, for one, it holds your music conveniently.

But is it the best quality device out there or just convenient?

Do we buy it for "features", "audiophile quality" or that it can be owned relatively inexpensively?

How much music is kept on people’s iPod/PC's at inferior bit/sample rates, that we dont notice or care about?

How many people play their iPod/Mac/Computer music through high-quality amplifiers or loudspeakers - most want cheap and easy.

How many recording studios alter the sound of CD masters and internet music releases so it sounds good on those little white ear-phones rather than a top-end system?

How can a $300 PC with a CD/DVD/BR rip a CD as good as the original CD?

How can the software algorithm ensure accurate playback?

I see the problem not as B&O getting more and more expensive. I see the problem as other manufacturers becoming more and more inexpensive - with a pseudo trait at becoming better. There is a flock mentality, a gravitas to this current culture just perhaps as in the 60's, 70's and 80's the gravitas was for more audiophilic qualities. I feel we have indeed "dumbed-down" and gone cheap. B&O's problem in my mind is they have taken a long time to realise where the market is going/gone (somewhat counter-intuitive to them perhaps - and just like Kodak) and they struggle to find buyers for their products because a) they are too expensive, b) they are not made in Denmark, c) the new delivery systems are retro-progressive.

Tod Daniel wrote:

I totally agree!  My ears don't lie. I can tell within a few seconds whether a sound system is good or not. The BS8 as I said sounds absolutely rubbish to my ears and the fact that £299 micro systems sound so better better in every way.  BS8 - Horrible, cheaply made little rip off.

Sound quality is a very subjective issue.

I personally never liked the sound quality produced by Linn,and Naim equipment,but one could never call it bad,or rubbish.

Just not my kind of sound.

It is a little arrogant to imply that buyers of a BS8,who are happily enjoying it's sound quality,have 'cloth ears'.

bayerische wrote:

Bentleyman wrote:

Jonathan wrote:

Question for you: if there was a Chinese chef who was the best chef in the world, could produce every dish on your menu perfectly every time, could have every plate ready on time, and could do it at half the cost price you're paying now; would you hire him?

 

 

@Jonathan

Not exactly sure who this question was aimed at specifically, or whether it was a question for anyone or everyone.

My answer to it though would be :

Yes! As I am, in no way, a racist person, of course I would hire the Chinese Chef if he was that good at his job, and if it cost me less to hire him too that would make it a double whammy! Absolutely, that would be a very smart move for a shrewd business owner!......

However, I wouldnt outsource (i.e. move location) my restaurant to China in order to benefit from hiring the excellent Chef!!

If the Chef was willing to come to my restaurant, in my country, and perform his excellent work - that would be great!. But I'm not going to move my restaurant to China in order to benefit from the Chefs skills!

Excellent reply!

 

I think he was aiming it to me, as a restaurant owner myself.

 

 

🤒

Thanks Bayerische

Needless to say I dont have a restaurant 😂

Regards,

Mr10Percent wrote:

I see the problem not as B&O getting more and more expensive. I see the problem as other manufacturers becomeing more and more inexpensive - with a pseudo trait at becomming better. There is a flock metality, a gravitas to this current culture just perhaps as in the 60's, 70's and 80's the gravitas was for more audiophilic qualities. I feel we have indeed "dumbed-down" and gone cheap. B&O's problem in my mind is they have taken a long time to realise where the market is going/gone (somewhat counter-intuitive to them perhaps - and just like Kodak) and they struggle to find buyers for their products because a) they are too expensive, b) they are not made in Denmark, c) the new delivery systems are retro-progressive.

Well made point(s) by Mr 10Percent...

🤒