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Yes, thankfully the likes of Rolls~Royce and Bentley are not (yet!) going down this route. (Despite them both being owned now by two German giants sadly)  Is that proving to be detrimental to these luxury car brands?? On the contrary ~ both Rolls~Royce and Bentley Motors have both reported huge increases in their order books in the last week alone - up 31% and 37% respectively in 2011 compared to 2010!

The ironic thing about that is that an increasing percentage of these premium brand cars are being ordered by the new, super-rich of China's society, (those that own the manufacturing plants!!) who want to order a bespoke vehicle to their own specifications, and built by british craftsmen, then shipped to China and the like, for their own private use! Do they want to buy one of their own chinese made, low priced products to drive around in...? NO, they want the best in the world, they want to order Extended Wheel Based RR Phantoms costing £325,000 a piece, handcrafted in Goodwood, England or £220,000 bespoke Bentleys hand built in Crewe, Cheshire.

Rolls~Royce Trent engines are by far the most expensive jet engine on the market, and again still hand~built in UK  but Boeing, Airbus etc still want them despite the very high (premium) price of them, all down to the quality of the parts/components and the aftersales service package (which is truly unbelievable) - all things you dont necessarily get to the same degree with rival aero engine manufacturers. General Electric are RR's closest rivals.

This suggests to me that luxury brands that do not go down the outsourcing route and find that they can still survive, even prosper, even in these hard times of global economic downturn,  proves that outsourcing is definately not necessarily the route for premium brand survival. In fact there is a strong case to suggest it is exactly the wrong route to take. Who would have thought that car makers such as Royce & Bentley producing very small numbers of very highly priced products would actually be significantly increasing orders during this world recession? Those prestige companies that see no other option for survival than to outsource to china etc. I believe are in grave danger of their own fears becoming a reality for them, by the corresponding reduction in the level of prestige associated with their brand in the all consuming race to bring lower priced products to the consumer, ultimately could be a self-fulfilling phrophecy. Does B&O want to stay a genuine ultra-premium brand? Or do they want to be competitive with Bose and Sony and others? Maybe B&O should instead be seeking to protect it's 'ultra-luxury' and 'ultra-high price' image by designing and manufacturing in Denmark and keep aiming at 'money dont matter' customers who just want the absolute best...?

If B&O still make world class products that are the best (or among the very best) in the world, they should not be seeking to cut costs massively (by outsourcing) in order to survive. There is plenty of money out there that want to buy the best ~ and to those wealthy individuals price is not the issue - quality and exclusivity is. In other words, they dont really care how much it costs, their only concern is whether it is the best that money can buy......If B&O really does make the best, people will still pay for it. As china prospers massively from all its manufacturing, the wealthy chinese business owners over there may become a significant and growing export market for £20K, £30k, £100k televisions and £100k sound systems from B&O made in Denmark - providing that is, B&O can produce the 'best in the world'..... otherwise B&O may as well outsource and focus their efforts on reducing manufacturing costs in order to deliver the next generation of B&O customers with 'competitively priced' products competing on roughly the same platuea as Bose etc...

Regards,

Dkatz wrote:
The whole point of B&O was that it wasn't for the general public. People who can afford B&O buy it regardless of price. I'm tried of hearing people complain about how expensive B&O is because it's not, at least not for the Danish made products.

 

Totally agree with this point. I hope B&O maintain the exclusivity of the brand, but I fear that products such as BS8 are going in the opposite direction.

Bentleyman wrote:

Dkatz wrote:
The whole point of B&O was that it wasn't for the general public. People who can afford B&O buy it regardless of price. I'm tried of hearing people complain about how expensive B&O is because it's not, at least not for the Danish made products.

 

Totally agree with this point. I hope B&O maintain the exclusivity of the brand, but I fear that products such as BS8 are going in the opposite direction.

Which, although I haven't read any of the B&O Play press releases so in many ways speaking from ignorance, I believe is one of the main points of the "B&O Play" idea.  Perhaps the BS8 should have been the B&O Play BS8, but then, maybe they had not thought of that yet.  That is, B&O Play = "cheap" products for the unwashed masses.  B&O = high class products for special people... 😕  (note, there is some sarcasm in this post)

Stan wrote:

Bentleyman wrote:

Dkatz wrote:
The whole point of B&O was that it wasn't for the general public. People who can afford B&O buy it regardless of price. I'm tried of hearing people complain about how expensive B&O is because it's not, at least not for the Danish made products.

 

Totally agree with this point. I hope B&O maintain the exclusivity of the brand, but I fear that products such as BS8 are going in the opposite direction.

Which, although I haven't read any of the B&O Play press releases so in many ways speaking from ignorance, I believe is one of the main points of the "B&O Play" idea.  Perhaps the BS8 should have been the B&O Play BS8, but then, maybe they had not thought of that yet.  That is, B&O Play = "cheap" products for the unwashed masses.  B&O = high class products for special people... 😕  (note, there is some sarcasm in this post)

 

Having a sub-brand isn't unusual - and when it works, both the sub and the main brand benefit, and it needn't be devisive or fall into the peasants/yuppies stereotypes.

 

Another interest of mine is guitars, and I would use the US guitar companies as good examples of (broadly) succesful sub brands.

Fender have Squier, Gibson have Epiphone and Martin have Sigma.

There are others.

In each case the main brand "values" are reflected in products made with the sub brand logo - usually produced in the East. 

You can pay many thousands for the handmade, top end models or less than £100 for a real budget starter model - with many increments at £100/200 steps that give an interesting, desirable upgrade path with aspirational items at the top end but some realistically owneable stuff in the middle ground.

Fender even has a sub-divided main brand, with a MiM (Made in Mexico) line sitting below the USA made high-end models, but above the Squier brand.

It's fair to say that these sub-brands have not always been well received by "purists", and there have certainly been some dud models - but the same can be said of any product range - main or sub brand.

However, by and large these models do the job they are intended to do - a lower priced, "starter" version of high end models beyond the financial means of "the masses".

Some of the older versions now have desirability and collectability in their own right.

Unlike the B&O Play range, the guitar sub brands also tend to be vidually similar designs to the main lines, but made with lower spec materials and/or lower tolerances - think of a plastic Bsnd9000, or Beolab 6000's made with ABS rather than aluminium.

 

I hope B&O Play becomes a similar success. 

 

I would like to see the BS8 re-branded as the flagship PLAY item, probably the Form 2 as well - alongside some new items. 

 

Other suggestions would be :

c£50 - £70 in ear headphones - as phone/mp3 upgrades.

c£200 universal remote - would need to be plastic, control 995% of brands & B&O.

A 5 speaker DSS package kit for c£1500.  To sell out to non B&O TV users.  - Would need to be high end plastic ( think Bcom 6000) but strongly branded and sounding good - to get users of non B&O TV and audion "into" the brand with a set of B&O PLAY speakers on the end of their XXXX TV set up.

A range of £250 - £500 desk mounted computer speakers - to add onto home PC/apple set ups or for 2 channel TV upgrades.  Same design values as the DSS TV speaker kit - visually similar, with same drivers etc.

A smaller LCD TV for bedroom / kitchen / small TV use - retailing at £500 TOPs

A true portable radio - ideally like a high end Freeplay.  A BeoPlay Radio  Retailing at £150 ish.  For camping / gardening / weekend breaks. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Dkatz

I mostly agree with you. I recently wanted to buy table mats from Hermes (120€ a piece) but they were made in Vietnam. So I skipped that one...

I always look for products from high income countries but consumer electronics is different, especially display technology and software where R&D cost billions. B&O can only buy these things from others and can add some of their stuff. They can't be significantly better than the OEM but charge significantly more. And that's the problem even for the richest!

One good example is the Vertu: it's handmade in England. Compare it with an iPhone and most people would take the iPhone even if they were priced equally.

Luxury only works if you need much time, special materials and skills for manufacturing like clothes, watches, cars, trunks, leather goods, loudspeakers, lenses etc. Where R&D takes billions, there's no way you can charge a ultra premium and wait until break even with a small customer base (like 1000 people paying 1 mio $ for an iPhone). Therefore bringing manufacturing costs down is the only way for these companies.

There's just one reason for outsourcing:


MONEY!

raveny wrote:



One good example is the Vertu: it's handmade in England. Compare it with an iPhone and most people would take the iPhone even if they were priced equally.

I may be wrong - but isn't the Vertu built on a re-engineered nokia platform, and is in effect a re-housed version of the standard Nokia chipset and os ?

If not, then I apologise, but I am almost sure that when I saw a customers Vertu a few years ago ( he was a first month Serene buyer back in the day)  he was grumbling to me that it did NOTHING his company supplied Nokia wasn't able to - it just had a fancy case. 

Edit - I remeber there was a special "Key" to dial a concierge service with one touch - although a speed-dial button is hardly a major innovation, albeit it has its own button.

Perhaps that was just the early ones....although I recall it was also many many times the price of a Serene.

 

 

yes it is a Symbian phone... they have other screens, keypads, speakers, etc. It's owned by Nokia but they are trying to sell it.

There's an analogy between a Vertu phone and a BeoVision. Display from Samsung, Panasonic or LG with different casing, speaker...

TWG wrote:

There's just one reason for outsourcing:


MONEY!

True!

As a manufacturer,if the choice is between installing a production line,and engaging,and training,additional employees to operate it,or having the product manufactured by a third party,which would make more economic sense?

 

They've been outsourcing for years - big deal

It's what comes out at the end , not how they made it it - that matters !

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