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Hi guys, I have followed your discussion about IF BV7-40 Mark III (BS3) will support multichannel PCM at 96khz/24bit at all channels! This is the main question IF it will fully support decoded Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD sound from a Bluray player.

Earlier this automn I asked Struer this questions and got the following answers thru e-mail:

Read the mail-correspendence from the botton and up. This answers from struer says that Beosystem 3 will support UNCOMPRESSED PCM-SOUND at 96 khz/24bit at all channels. And because Dolby True-HD and DTS-HD is decoded to Uncompressed PCM, if it is decoded in the BR-player, = BV 7-40 mark III and Beosystem 3 WILL be able to transport already decoded HD-audio without any downcompression. Some of you says that BS3 does "something" with the PCM-sound and therfore not getting full HD-audio output. B&O says another thing according to my answer from B&O.

Have you noticed that with the new Sw 5.0 threre are and "sound adjustment"-menu in the "customer-menu". In this new "sound-adjustment-menu" you can adjust if you want Dynamic compression on or off. It is off in default-mode. Read my questions and answer from B&O-Struer below:

Regards
Martin

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 Customer (Martin Ström)

13/08/2008 03.55 PM

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PCM lyd Beovision 7-40 markIII (Beosystem 3)

 

 Discussion Thread

 Response (Mette Krabbe Helmholt)

14/08/2008 03.21 PM

Hi again,

Yes it will.

Kind regards
Bang & Olufsen a/s

Mette Krabbe Helmholt
BeoCare


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 Customer (Martin Ström)

14/08/2008 03.10 PM

Hi, Thank you for your reply. Will it also support 96khz/24bit at all channels? Regards
Martin


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FRÅN: BeoCare [mailto:
bogo@mailuk.custhelp.com]
SKICKAT: den 14 augusti 2008 15:02
TILL: Ström, Martin
ÄMNE: PCM lyd Beovision 7-40 markIII (Beosystem 3) [Incident: 080813-000136]

 Response (Mette Krabbe Helmholt)

14/08/2008 03.01 PM

Dear Mr Ström,

The BeoVision 7-40 MKIII will support the uncompressed PDM signal on all channels.

Kind regards
Bang & Olufsen a/s

Mette Krabbe Helmholt
BeoCare


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 Customer (Martin Ström)

13/08/2008 03.55 PM

I have to know another technical answer from you about Multichannel PCM.

Does Beovision 7-40 MarkIII (or BS3) handle multichannel pcm at 96khz/24bit at all channels, when it receive this signal through HDMI-cable from a Bluray-player? I can refrase the question: If I have a Blurayplayer that will decode the new HD-coedes (DolbyTrue HD and DTS-HD) and this decoded sound is sendt as Multichannel pcm to the BV7-40, will the TV handle this PCM-signal uncompressed at all channels?

I hope you understand my question. If the answer to my question is YES, then BV7-40 will output the new HD-audio (already decoded sound) to the speakers. This would be very nice.

I hope to get an answer from some of your technical staff who know this subject.

Regards
Martin Ström
Sweden




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 Customer (Martin Ström)

13/08/2008 03.55 PM

 Subject

PCM lyd Beovision 7-40 markIII (Beosystem 3)

 Discussion Thread

 Response (Mette Krabbe Helmholt)

14/08/2008 03.21 PM

Hi again,

Yes it will.

Kind regards
Bang & Olufsen a/s

Mette Krabbe Helmholt
BeoCare


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 Customer (Martin Ström)

14/08/2008 03.10 PM

Hi, Thank you for your reply. Will it also support 96khz/24bit at all channels? Regards
Martin


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FRÅN: BeoCare [mailto:
bogo@mailuk.custhelp.com]
SKICKAT: den 14 augusti 2008 15:02
TILL: Ström, Martin
ÄMNE: PCM lyd Beovision 7-40 markIII (Beosystem 3) [Incident: 080813-000136]

 Response (Mette Krabbe Helmholt)

14/08/2008 03.01 PM

Dear Mr Ström,

The BeoVision 7-40 MKIII will support the uncompressed PDM signal on all channels.

Kind regards
Bang & Olufsen a/s

Mette Krabbe Helmholt
BeoCare


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 Customer (Martin Ström)

13/08/2008 03.55 PM

I have to know another technical answer from you about Multichannel PCM.

Does Beovision 7-40 MarkIII (or BS3) handle multichannel pcm at 96khz/24bit at all channels, when it receive this signal through HDMI-cable from a Bluray-player? I can refrase the question: If I have a Blurayplayer that will decode the new HD-coedes (DolbyTrue HD and DTS-HD) and this decoded sound is sendt as Multichannel pcm to the BV7-40, will the TV handle this PCM-signal uncompressed at all channels?

I hope you understand my question. If the answer to my question is YES, then BV7-40 will output the new HD-audio (already decoded sound) to the speakers. This would be very nice.

I hope to get an answer from some of your technical staff who know this subject.

Regards
Martin Ström
Sweden




Hi again- yes it will-  sounds like a very technical response and fills me with confidence that this information can be relied upon despite realities to the contrary.

 

You now need to go back to this paragon of technical information and ask specifically which player when so connected gives these results- they seem to indicate that any player will give these results- NOT TRUE im afraid

Hi 355f, How did you make your tests that have give you an other conclusion than B&O:s?

/Martin

Quite explicitly stated earlier in this thread, Martin. 355f has carried out parallel tests, and extensive comparisons.

Why does B&O take such delight in ridiculously short and uninformative answers? What would have been nice, would have been to get the exact specifications of the signal processing, information that every other manufacturer has available, including which processing units are being used. Whereas B&O customers have to open up their cans to find out much.

"Yes, it will. Because ....(and giving the precise reason)" would have been a nice answer.

Martin, you are correct. Thanks for posting the answer from B and O. I have received similiar information to what you have. It is amazing that some people still refuse to accept facts. The answer B and O gave you completely matches the fact that a Blu-Ray player will indicate it is outputting 48khz PCM and the BV7 display indicates it is receiving as input and outputting as output  PCM. 

One can simply test this themselves with a BV7. Place a DVD in the BV7 and the same movie on Blu-Ray in the Blu-Ray player. Compare the sounds. Also, play a Blu-Ray with both Dolby and Dolby Tru HD and switch back and forth. The sound difference is amazing. Anybody who does this test should have no doubt about the accuracy of what B and O has told you.

There's certainly no help in the service manual - no schematics, only block diagrams and no mention of the DAC's used.
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