355f:

Ok this has little to do with compliancy- obviously, if it was not at all compliant you get a blank screen which in fact is what transpired when the BS3 first came out when connected to a sky box.

The issue really is how the receiver handles the incomming stream and what it does with it. In theory, reading all the internet data on the subject it leads one to believe that if a product is HDMI 1.1 then all is well. In fact if one looks at the receivers that maintain that they are capable of outputting HI DEF audio without any downconversion taking place they all happen to be HDMI 1.3 or higher and make a highlight of it in the specs!

Thats not to say that there are not a small handful of receivers that are 1.1 that can output it when connected to a suitable product- the high end japanese being an example  - and it will clearly say that in all the specs- its a major selling point after all- I regret in the case of the BS3 it does not do - there maybe a difference- albeit slight but there is a downconversion process taking place.

I have tested it with all the panasonic models- no joy and some sony products to- same story

I wrote directly to B&O about this months and months ago asking them to confirm a third party BR player that will output HD audio without downconversion taking place- they simply must have tested a player to confirm the facts- then I would have taken said player to our lab and connected it to BS3 for confirmation.

But B&O does not want to reveal said facts- enough said- to me a simple question- please tell me the player that when so connescted allows the BS3 to output FULL HD audio!

I will freely admit that I'm basing my opinion on how it is *supposed* to work, and not how it actually will work on these products in practice. 

To this end, I'll stop arguing with you and give you the benefit of the doubt having claimed to have done the tests - I don't have a BS3 to test on, and nothing other than that will convince anyone! 

I would agree that B&O refusing to answer the question is either a bit suspect, or the marketing department is reading it and is unable to answer or uninterested in answering the question.

From what I've read on here, the DSS module is being changed in BS3 Mk II - maybe this will change something?!

Its a question that not just I have asked but many indiviudals on here both to technical and to sales- and in all cases you neerv get a direct answer.

Now if they change the module- then all may well be ok!! and you can bet that module will have 1.3 or above compliancy

355f, when you say the internet has it all wrong about HDMI, does that include HDMI.org? 

  The specific question  about HDMI versions and high def audio is asked and answered. Specifically, all versions, including version 1.1 will transmit decoded Dolby TruHD and DTS HD Master. It specifically says 1.3 is not needed.

Further, it says all versions of HDMI support 8 channels, 192khz 24 bit sound.

 

Just as the DAB forum  was set up to advance Digital radio as the new quality medium and was pushed by the BBC- now the bit rates are down, its worse than FM by a long way and about to be superceeded- are the founders of the DAB  movement going to admit to that? the aim was to pull as many manufacturers into DAB as they could and make money.

This is an experiment I have done on a few occasions.

Take an HDMI 1.1 receiver ( where it makes no specific mention of HD audio capability in the specs) and marry it to a suitable BR player that can output HD audio and have a listen.

Next take an HDMI 1.3 receiver where it clearly states in the specs that it will output HD audio and its derivatives- and with a suitable disc the difference is worlds apart.- now compare that to the BS3- clearly the BS3 is not doing the same thing and ive tried it with 6 models of BR .

It is up to each manufacturer as to how they implement the standard and as B&O dont make there own blue ray player they would simply state which BR player has been tested with BS3 to produce the results that allow hi def audio with no downconversion.- its a simple as that- no smoke screen is required- just tell us the model of BR that confirms the facts.

Onto HDMI as a general topic, there are still many examples of incompatability between different manufacturers if one believes HDMI org this would not be the case would it? Even mainstream brands have HDMI shortcommings! it is a nasty copy protection system with many limitations

i agree with 355f , hdmi is an utter nightmare

i have an hdmi extender , half my hdmi things don't work with it and despite all my internet explorations , nobody does 

i was reading over at avforums how a chap had bough a brand new sony x series , a sony amp and a ps3 and they for god knows what reason wouldn't work together

 maybe scart / phono wasn't so bad after all ? 

although i DO know bno used the superior din connections for many years - as did Naim ( think they still do ? ) 

Razlaw:

355f, when you say the internet has it all wrong about HDMI, does that include HDMI.org? 

afaik dd is a  compressed format

dolby tru hd and dts master hd etc are utterly uncompromised  in the audio dept

( as long as yer ears are up to it :) ) 

(takes off cravat and lays it solemnly next to toilet) 

oops Blank uncultured unrefined post 😁