Thanks Geoff,

You're my new hero!  I liked the videos from the B&O site with you in them. 

Hope things are good in Danmark.

From Aussieland,

Michael.

Razlaw wrote:

As a rhetorical question, do you ever read an entire post and comprehend it in its entirety or do you merely look for individual lines that you can respond to in a negative fashion?

Good to see you back :)

(and, unlike others, I do not believe in quoting an entire message in a reply, it's bad forum etiquette, FYI)

Puncher wrote:

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, you don't have to agree with them and they don't have to agree with you - that's what makes discussions interesting. Other peoples opinions certainly shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not you purchase a TV that you like and want!! 😂

Exactly. That's what makes up a discussion. Like I say, unfortunately computer-based forums come across as much colder than you would in real-life.

My point was this: I'm sure B&O are happier with some of these "negative" B&O-owning people who are pro-actively buying kit. Positive words on a discussion forum do not a future business make. If you know what I mean. There's little point going around saying "I love it, I love it! Do you love it? As I really love it!" when you're not buying kit.

I just find it somewhat ironic that some of the people accused of being negative/disruptive to the brand, are those buying the most kit. As I said, I'm sure B&O would rather take these users over a few glowing comments on a computer-based forum.

If you want *real* B&O negativity, look at most of the comments under the majority of the V1 press announcements across media sites a few weeks ago. Just about everyone - at least 70% - say B&O is a waste of money, is for idiots with more money than sense etc. Far far more negative and disruptive than anything posted here. Some of the comments are, frankly, shocking.

It's these users who need educating. Not us. We're pro-active purchasers.

[quote user="John"]

I can understand if you have some other B&O kit and you can't get the masterlink to play with those bits and pieces, vis a vis the V1 not having masterlink, this will be very frustrating and I understand your constructive criticism and sense of disappointment.

Forgive me though, as I am still learning about the B&O way of connecting things; as I understand it, Master link is an analogue (and therefore arguably outdated) technology that allows one to connect CD players to say, TV's etc, to allow them to play music in say the bedroom, from the 'master' music system in the lounge?

I am also under the impression that Master link is being phased out in favour of this new connection facility I've come across here re various comments, called Beonet - as I understand it, it's essentially Masterlink in digital form, and utliising Cat 7 cable/RJ145 connectors rather than the old style leads.

Can anyone expand upon this please?  Trip, where are you?

Going digital as regards interconnects makes an awful lot of sense, as does the implementation of Wifi, and in this regard I see the V1 as being much more up to date than previous Beovisions re connectivity, especially with the integration of wireless and a media browser, and as I understand it, the second of the 'new wave' of B&O products to move towards Beonet compatibility, the first being the Besound 5 Encore.

Could someone more familiar with the B&O connectivity world, and especially the transition from Masterlink to Beonet, and where the likes of the V1 fits into this scheme kindly comment?  Perhaps Steve at Sounds Heavenly, or Trip - where are you.. :-)

Kind Regards

John... 😐

Sorry, was tired yesterday. Yes Masterlink is transferring sound analogue just as the sound is sent between the tv and speakers. It also transfers display data, remote control data and system data. It works very well. Of course, if beonet was truly an IP-solution that eorked with regular ethernet-cables we would have a very much better bandwith to begin and also much more flexibility. BUT as of today BeoNet is just masterlink over rj45. Meaning that it is easier to connect in new buildings that often has rj45 outlets everywhere.

Perhaps the V1 has the future BeoNet (IP?) just like the old beosound century had dolby that wasnt on the tech specs or on the box. I just feel that for me as a 27 year old guy that 26 000 SEK is much money spent on a bedroom tv and it saddens me to se it impossible to connect to my other b&o gear. 

If a BeoNet IP-solution is on its way I think they could say that it is BeoNet IP-supported for future use? (Perhaps that what the first CTRL-outlet is for?

I suppose a masterlink converter to BeoNet IP could be made and configured via for example a web browser to let the connected utilities be programmed much smarter than in current setups. Utilizing one adapter per masterlink-unit or chains of units. 

What do you guys think? Perhaps B&O thinks it makes it to easy to connect to other IP-systems then (no need to buy the overpriced MLGW?).

It would however make it much easier for everyone from the sales man to the installer to the end customer and also cheaper. How great would that be? 

Geoff Martin wrote:

There are two new options in the V1 that may be of interest for this application. The first is a new Speaker Type called "Line". This tells the TV to use a PowerLink channel as a fixed-level Line output instead of the usual volume-regulated signal. The second is the addition of two new Speaker Roles called "Mix Left" and "Mix Right". These will do a down mix of the incoming signals to a two-channel output.

The idea behind both of these additions to the software is that you can take a PowerLink output from the TV and send it to the bedroom where you have an independent volume regulation.

It's not MasterLink, so there's no remote control signal coming back to the television, but you can use it to re-distribute sound to a second room if you wish to do so.

Cheers

-geoff

 

Geoff, thanks for the info.

The Line function is a very interesting feature. You can also connect the V1 to an AUX port of an older audiomaster (BC9500, 9500, BM6500, 7000, 4500, BC2300.....). Set audiomaster to A.OPT2 and selecting a video source should activate the V1 AND your audiomaster opening the AUX input.

Volume control now works via audiomaster. Should also work via a Beolink converter with newer (masterlink) audiomasters.

This can also be distributed via an existing masterlink system to link rooms. Am I right?

If you now connect a Lintronic box to the AUX port, it should even be possible to control the V1 via audiomaster AND from linkrooms.

Now you have created your own ML module.....

Is V.OPT0 possible in V1? Does this feature affect the center speaker. Will it be disconnected/muted? Or will it play just stereo/center including volume control in videomode?

The "downmix feature" will create a stereo signal on all powerlink (RJ45) outputs, no matter what the incoming signal is, did I understand that correctly?

BTW: Geoff, thanks for joining Beoworld and for all your kind explanations. Maybe some of your colleagues in Struer will do the same...?🙂

Hilsen

Stefan

moxxey wrote:

Puncher wrote:

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, you don't have to agree with them and they don't have to agree with you - that's what makes discussions interesting. Other peoples opinions certainly shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not you purchase a TV that you like and want!! 😂

Exactly. That's what makes up a discussion. Like I say, unfortunately computer-based forums come across as much colder than you would in real-life.

My point was this: I'm sure B&O are happier with some of these "negative" B&O-owning people who are pro-actively buying kit. Positive words on a discussion forum do not a future business make. If you know what I mean. There's little point going around saying "I love it, I love it! Do you love it? As I really love it!" when you're not buying kit.

I just find it somewhat ironic that some of the people accused of being negative/disruptive to the brand, are those buying the most kit. As I said, I'm sure B&O would rather take these users over a few glowing comments on a computer-based forum.

If you want *real* B&O negativity, look at most of the comments under the majority of the V1 press announcements across media sites a few weeks ago. Just about everyone - at least 70% - say B&O is a waste of money, is for idiots with more money than sense etc. Far far more negative and disruptive than anything posted here. Some of the comments are, frankly, shocking.

It's these users who need educating. Not us. We're pro-active purchasers.

You make some excellent points - particularly about the 'real' B&O Negativity.  In my Naim owning days, I used to hang out on Pink Fish Media - a more bellicose forum you'd struggle to find, with subjectivism holding sway in almost every regard over science logic and reason, and I confess to swallowing the Naim party line at the time that B&O was for the rich and ignorant.

Until I had a good listen to the Lab 5's that is.  

And by that time I'd had my ears and eyes well and truly opened by my Naim to Sony conversion - sort of a road to Damascus experience as to the futility of the audiophool world and buying into the law of seriously diminishing returns in the pursuit of some assumed holy grail of audio perfection.

About once a year the subject of B&O comes up on PFM - there is one member there who owns B&O and also did some Hifi reviewing for HiFi World - indeed his review of the Lab 9's is about on the web, and he basically says a few sensible words and then ducks for cover - the vitriol and abuse hurled at B&O is as you say, shocking.

Kind Regards

John... 😐

Geoff Martin wrote:

John wrote:

Forgive me though, as I am still learning about the B&O way of connecting things; as I understand it, Master link is an analogue (and therefore arguably outdated) technology that allows one to connect CD players to say, TV's etc, to allow them to play music in say the bedroom, from the 'master' music system in the lounge?

 

There are two new options in the V1 that may be of interest for this application. The first is a new Speaker Type called "Line". This tells the TV to use a PowerLink channel as a fixed-level Line output instead of the usual volume-regulated signal. The second is the addition of two new Speaker Roles called "Mix Left" and "Mix Right". These will do a down mix of the incoming signals to a two-channel output.

The idea behind both of these additions to the software is that you can take a PowerLink output from the TV and send it to the bedroom where you have an independent volume regulation.

It's not MasterLink, so there's no remote control signal coming back to the television, but you can use it to re-distribute sound to a second room if you wish to do so.

Cheers

-geoff

 

Hi Geoff

Many thanks for taking the time from your undoubtedly busy schedule to edify and explain some of the finer points of the V1's capabilities.

As someone who has trained and performed in Classical disciplines on Trumpet, Piano and Voice, and whose favourite instrument just happens to be Pipe Organ, it is fantastic to read your posts and your input is hugely appreciated.

Thanking you and hope to see more comment from yourself or others in Struer when you have time.

KInd Regards

John.. 🙂

John wrote:

You make some excellent points - particularly about the 'real' B&O Negativity.

Thanks John.

That's the "scary" thing and what frustrates me about B&O's PR. They are doing a great job getting the V1 out there in the regular A/V press (including some of our magazines). However, what they can't account for is the opinions from certain users who seem to spout negativity whatever B&O produce. The usual replies - too expensive, people who buy them are clueless etc. In terms of anti-PR, you couldn't do any worse than a lack of positive comments outside your usual target audience. It means it's much harder to widen your userbase as people trust other people's comments over reading through a news piece themselves (frankly, many users are lazy).

I couldn't care less about negative comments on this board. We own the kit. We need to figure what we can do, as a collective, regarding other non-B&O owning users and their comments.

As mentioned by others, making it stand alone like the Beosound 5 Encore doesn't sit well with me when the company should be promoting integration considering they were once pioneers of it.  They want new customers to buy more products yes?

I'm interested in the V1, but it has a size and integration limitation that make it a bedroom only TV for me.  Now, if only we watched TV in the bedroom!

Yendys wrote:

PlilLondon & Puncher both very creative ideas! Particularly like the coiled power cord hiding other cables

There are some more supplementary docs on the website now - the ceiling bracket guide shows cables routed back up to the ceiling in a sock.

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/UserFiles/File/ug/BeoPlayV1/beoplay_V1_ceiling_bracket.pdf