B&O's TV range.

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I know there's been similar posts before but wanted to share my own experience, as someone - a B&O enthusiast - looking to replace our old TV. Naturally enough, I kind of assumed I'd be going down the B&O route. Having looked into it in some detail over the past year, reluctantly I'll be looking elsewhere, and here's my reasons!

1) BV7 - has an integrated 'classic'  DVD drive that will soon be obsolete (and I already own DVD players), ugly 'tacked on' speakers, and very limited connectivity (although I gather the new version is better in that respect).

2) BV6 - a beautiful piece of design and manufacture, but almost comically inadequate connections (no HDMI, for example), and having decided 26" is too small, it's out for me.

3) BV8 - the 'unusual' design actually grew on me, but again woeful connectivity and no option to add surround, plus it lacks so many of the features that the 'proper' B&O TVs have to help justify their price tag. Yes, the BV8 is priced much lower, but the difference between it and the mainstream competition for a fraction of its price becomes very slight.

So all of these have issues that are deal-breakers for me. I'm aware B&O are never at the cutting edge, and I prefer their strategy of waiting for technology to 'bed in' and then doing it right. And having a product that will last for years.

Problem is, if I'm spending thousands on a TV, I want it to work after the analogue switch-off (i.e. beyond next year). I'd also like to be able to connect something else to it, or ideally, more than one thing.  I'm not even bothered about TrueHD or DTS+ right now, I don't want to be too demanding.

But the real clincher is that the picture quality, while way above average across the range, is not way above the best of the mainstream. For example, the Pioneer 428 is truly exceptional. 

Still, I'd prefer a 40" BV6 (nicer form factor than BV7, better integrated and less dominating speaker, and no redundant DVD drive) but with 3xHDMIs and a surround module and Beo5 thrown in.

But I'm pretty sure I'll actually be buying a Pioneer 428 or a Sony 40W3000. If BS3s weren't so flaky with non-B&O screens, I'd still look to get one of those so I can have B&O's lovely surround speakers (I'm thinking BL9s at the front and BL3s at the rear) but they are, so I won't. And I'm not minded to get a BV4 (even if they still did the 40") for that price, with its very non-exceptional picture and ordinary design and build.

Having said all this, I bought a Serene, so don't listen to me!

I have similar thoughts. I never liked the Beolab 7.1 and 7.2 speakers of the Beovision 7. It looks better with the Beolab 7.4. But for me, it's just not special enough. I have a feeling that we're a minority group, though. I also would fancy a larger Beovision 6, 32'' or as you suggest 40''. More connections would also be welcome.

Know what you mean.

I am currently thinking about BV 7, I am in love with the design but am put off by cost and the integrated DVD being obsolete in a few months. If B&O could commit to upgrading the DVD drive to what eventually will win the format war, then I would pull the trigger. Probably an unrealistic  wish though.. 

The BeoSystem 3 + BeoVision 4 combo is the best picture on the market at the moment, I've never seen a standard definition signal look so good on a screen anywhere above 32". They do still suffer from motion 'juddering' a bit, but other than that I feel the picture is flawless. Fantastic colour rendering (looks very natural to me) and fantastic depth. B&O also have a technique of 'tweening' colours on plasma displays which nobody else does. If the panel can't display a colour required by the source, it seems as though the BeoSystem 3 flashes between the two nearest colours very rapidly, resulting in a higher number of perceived colours. I've never seen any gradient banding on the BeoVision 4/9, although I have on the LCDs.

As for the 'inadequate connections', do bear in mind that B&O have now launched the HDMI expander, and while this isn't the most elegant solution, I'd imagine it works very well. Haven't seen or used one yet, but it should (hopefully) greatly reduce the number of cables going into the back of the TV itself. People often used to comment that B&O should do a 'BeoCenter 2-type-thing' with the BeoVisions, and have all the connections on a separate box, meaning less cable clutter leading into the back of the TV.

Don't buy a Sony, honestly the picture is far less than impressive. The Pioneer displays are much more impressive, although I saw one of the latest Pioneer panels round at my uncle & aunt's house the other day, and it wasn't all that good! Far over 'bloated' colours (reducing the colour control just made it look washed out, but still somehow 'over compensated'), and very poor detail at mid-colours (although the extremes of hues seemed pretty good).

It's not until you really get to see brand X tellies set up 'in-situ' with a proper image displayed on them (not the kind of manufactured-promo-junk they often seem to display at Curries etc...) that you begin to realise just how stunning the picture is on the B&O sets, they really are just streets ahead of anything else out there.

With SD content only, I'd maybe agree - although a well set-up (professionally calibrated) 8G Pioneer probably still has the edge IMO (obviously, this is subjective). I've seen this and the Sony with my own SD content, as well as blu-ray discs. To be fair, the Sony did look quite impressive, if a little brash, oversharp and lacking depth (being LCD rather than Plasma). But with HD content, both sets were superb. That stuff about how HD is pointless on screens less than 50" is, frankly, rubbish. The difference was very *very* obvious to me, on a 40"/42" display, about 11 feet away. Of course a good 720p set, like the Pioneer or BV4 can (and does) still look much better than a full HD LCD, but that's a very different argument!
Alex:

The Pioneer displays are much more impressive, although I saw one of the latest Pioneer panels round at my uncle & aunt's house the other day, and it wasn't all that good! Far over 'bloated' colours (reducing the colour control just made it look washed out, but still somehow 'over compensated'), and very poor detail at mid-colours (although the extremes of hues seemed pretty good).

You have to go into the pro setup functions on the Pioneer to adjust the image. Send me a PM and I'll send you two good setups you can try. 

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks! My aunt & uncle think the picture is pretty good for what they paid. They've seen B&O sets (they love B&O, and are thinking of getting their new house wired up with a complete BeoLink setup), and are mighty impressed, so I think they're not massively bothered about the Pioneer.

Greg:
With SD content only, I'd maybe agree - although a well set-up (professionally calibrated) 8G Pioneer probably still has the edge IMO (obviously, this is subjective). I've seen this and the Sony with my own SD content, as well as blu-ray discs. To be fair, the Sony did look quite impressive, if a little brash, oversharp and lacking depth (being LCD rather than Plasma). But with HD content, both sets were superb. That stuff about how HD is pointless on screens less than 50" is, frankly, rubbish. The difference was very *very* obvious to me, on a 40"/42" display, about 11 feet away. Of course a good 720p set, like the Pioneer or BV4 can (and does) still look much better than a full HD LCD, but that's a very different argument!

 

The common issues are that 720 screens display sd better and bacuse there is less processing to do actually make  avery good job of HD.

Porfessional installers and the BBC point to the fact that on a 50 in screen or less no one could consistently tell the difference- if you can fair enough!- from 11 feet away !!!

Porfessonal installers seem to take the view that the very best set up can be achieved with a panasonic commercial screen and a lumagen processor or similar- not far removed from the BV4 solution in fact.There are differences with Pioneer and Panasonic glass on a purely colour and greyscale basis. I think it will come down to taste and the job itself. The Pioneer handles bright rooms better, but I also reckon the Panasonic has the deeper contrast image overall which really shines when the lights are turned down and you are sitting down to a good movie.  if the plasma is going to be the movie watching screen as well as general TV use then it has to be a Panasonic (or even better a Fuji) because I think it has the more filmic, CRT like almost, picture.

 Well maybe I'm just "special", but to me the difference between 1080 and 720 on a 40" screen was *so* obvious I'd be *amazed* if anyone *couldn't* see it. Either way, it is not a "fact" that no could consistently tell the difference - no matter what professional installers (who until recently only had 720p screens to sell at sub 50" sizes) or the BBC (who can't yet commit to deliver - other than on a trial basis - 720p, let alone 1080p) will tell you.

Again, I'd emphasise that it doesn't mean 1080 looks *better*, just sharper; in fact to me the best 720 plasmas still give the best picture - thanks to greater depth and contrast, and that 'filmic' quality you describe. Again, I must be "special" because I've spent some time looking at both Panasonic and Pioneer's best offerings, and have had a look at Fujitsu's, and to me the 8th gen Pioneer is the better picture - having the edge over the Panasonic, largely because of it's better contrast - the Panasonic, while pretty good, is still grey at times when it should be black - the same problem as the BV4, IMHO. Whereas, the Pioneer really can do black. Again, YMMV, this is my personal experience and I may well be 'special' :-)

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