I have no problem with people disagreeing with Trip - I disagree with him! I will not however indulge in personal attacks but will disagree with the message. Trying to belittle the message by attacking the poster personally  is an ad hominem attack and doesn't further the discussion, only causes offense. I am sure Trip has no problem with people disagreeing with him or indeed the way he put his point but has every right to object to personal comments.

The problem with the internet is that one can post quickly and without seeing the other correspondent and this can lead to heated debates which would not occur in a face to face encounter. None the less, I think this has been as useful thread. 

What a great thread....I'm more of a reader here than a poster (you might guess this from my post count)....But very few 4 page threads keep me going all the way through..!!

This forum is about debate, and it should be encouraged. If Trip feels he can no longer post because of some of the replys he's getting, that is a sad day...Agree or disagree with what is being said, but don't flame...

I'm sure we all of us will write things we look back on and think...hmmmm. But I'm also sure none of us are here to 'put down' anyone else on this forum, if that IS the intention then that what Peters here for. But let's try and keep the debates hot, it generates passion and provokes debate (which is why I for one am here).

B&O for me??...just a few of MANY reasons:

it's about buying a brand new TV and being able to plug it into my 15 year old Beosystem 2500 and it works...perfectly....

it's about phoning my dealer and asking to borrow a 6k TV for a month just to see if I like it...Who then delivers it, and picks it back up when I'm done...£0.

it's about plugging an AppleTV into my TV, getting the firmware on the BV9 updated and then ditching the apple remote....

it's about buying a Beolab 3500, plugging a ML cable into it and being able to listen it anything on it.

it's about knowing that if I have a problem with ANYTHING AV related, I have one number to call and it's sorted.

I purchasing a BV9 pretty early on...I think the picture is STUNNING.... I'm not interested in new panels or latest technology.....I love what I have, and am not planning on even looking at another TV for at least 5-10 years...(unless holograms turn up somewhere). I had an Avant before that, and the next TV I buy I would expect to be just as big a technology jump.

It's not just the product, it's the whole experience, and the dealer is also key to this. This is why I'll always look at B&O first, and to be honest, probably only ever buy B&O (assuming there still around(!)).

This for me is B&O. I do think there prices are to high, but I also think the build quality is simply not found anywhere else.
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BTW: these are just my opinions and don't represent fact in any way, I'll apologies in advance for any pain or hurt I may have causes anyone in writting this post, it was not intentional). Please also note that a spell checker (or gramma pass) has not been used on this post, so if smelling pistakes casue you any injury, I also appologeeez. Smile..🙂 the sun is out!

BTW: these are just my opinions and don't represent fact in any way, I'll apologies in advance for any pain or hurt I may have causes anyone in writting this post, it was not intentional). Please also note that a spell checker (or gramma pass) has not been used on this post, so if smelling pistakes casue you any injury, I also appologeeez. Smile..🙂 the sun is out!

Funny this last paragraph from Beeanowefreak as this is extactly what I did do spell check everything whereas normally I don't spell ckheck anything Like now😁

Well, take a couple of days off, and look what I return too!  I imagine that Trip has been hoping for the cavalry to ride over the hilltop for days now!  ;-)  I'm not sure about saving him, but I can't let him just swing in the wind.  Some of his language has been a bit harsh, but melodrama, theatricality, and sarcasm are all difficult to pass along on the page smoetimes.  Allow me to analogise:  (Oh no, not another car analogy!)

My former roommate, Tom (newlydad) and his father, both work with the Mercedes-Benz owner's association here in the Washington, DC area.  Tom used to run their autocrosses and track days.  New daughter has gotten in the way this spring...but I digress.  I have attended several of these meets over the years, and here is what I see...a group of firendly, competitive folks dedicated to getting the absolute most enjoyment out of using their cars for ONE of the many tasle for which they were built.  Best example for this discussion is a married couple who bring 2 cars, one a late '70's estate/wagon and an early 70's 6.3 sedan.  They both use the 6.3...so why the wagon?  Why to carry the track-only racing tiyres, and the jack-stands and other paraphenalia needet to get the 6.3 ready for it's day.  These are the types of people who will closely follow what M-B does with its modern cars, and ppreciate them, and criticise them when they make a 'mistake.'  For instance, finally giving up recirculating-ball steering for the more 'advanced' rack & pinion not so many years ago.  Why?  Because you can adjust on-center feel, and turn-in on the 'ball', but not the rack.

 I pose for you this question: are these people M-B's target group?  No, not really.  Many of them can afford new M-B's many of them bring them and race them.  They all love the brand, and appreciate what the cars can do at the limit.  But they are not the thousands of Doctors, Lawyers, and their wives who purchase these cars for their everyday utility.  I think that we, here at BeoWorld, are much more closely associated with those sun-burnt nutjobs hooning about on weekends with the big grins on their faces.  M-B's target market, can afford the cars, but they simply can't afford the TIME needed to tweak the tipre pressures, fiddle witth the carburetors, ans adjust the rebound on their shock absorbers...they need to hop in, twist the key, and get to work, or the child's soccer match.  Class, taste and money are, at best, secondary images.  In providing an integrated solution, which I think is really more compatible than is often acknowledged here, B&O hope to provide a simple, elegant, turn-key system intended for people who have the money, the inclination, and the apprciation...but perhaps not the TIME....

Russ

Spell Check free, 'cause I'm not on my Mac at home.