B&O Financial Report: Heading for success or failure????

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Here's a link to the latest link: apologies if it's been posted before and I've missed it.

Here's the chart from Yahoo showing B&O's share price over the past few years. Whilst there have been rights issues and readjustments, the shares have declined from almost 800DKR (with a very large dividend) to around 80DKR (with no dividend.)

On a similar (longer shown) timescale, Apple shares have gone from $15 to around $260 (with no dividend (ever)). (Scales are logarithmic.)

People get criticised for buying Apple over Microsoft based products on the basis that Apple charge double for the same thing. I find that not to be quite the case (as I type on a Toshiba/ Windows laptop, on its third keyboard, failing screen, expensive and nuisance Norton anti virus software that, if costed-in at the outset, would make this PC far more expensive than a MacBook!)

To follow Apple's pattern of recovery, B&O needs a device costing no more than double the competition, but of outstanding quality and design and within the price reach of  a much larger number of customers. At the moment it's difficult to see the design or quality 'edge' that justifies prices so far ahead of the alternatives. Apple somehow still combines an exclusive/ quality image whilst selling millions and having queues at all its stores. If only B&O could find a way to do the same.

B&O isn't likely to produce the equivalent of an iPhone (judging by previous joint ventures with Samsung!)

Do Beoworlders have any ideas for the product that could propel B&O back to profitable success?

Graham

 

The silly thing is that the B&O price could be lower, or even a lot lower, if the product planners were as ambitious/courageous as the Apple guys, and do a market forecast of say 3,000,000 BeoSound 5s rather than say 3,000

It is not strange with much overpriced products, which are already released outdated. What is BoSound for 5.000,-€ a simple MP3/radio contol unit. Is 500 GB BeoMaster really something special? You can get a harddisc of the same space for 100,-€.

Better sell more as les for a big money. Therefore B&O is in red numbers. No reasonable prices, no customers. I was buying B&O products for 15 years and stoped as I simply don't have so much money to pay for instance 12.000,-€ for BeoVision  40'' with player. It is not worth the money. It costs like a new VW Polo. And only 40''! Not to mention what quality problems you can get. My present BeVision 7 32'' a 500,-€ defect after 3 years of use. Electric supply unit defect. Not to mention other products I own BeoSound 9000 laser defect after 1 year etc.

When I will buy B&O in the future I will think 10 times before buying or even think to buy a second hand product wit warranty not to throw so much money trough the window. It is simply not worth of money to have B&O for any price!

In my very humble opinion.. Comparing B&O shares against Apple is of no relevance at all! The core audience of the 2 companies are just completely different. BeoWorlders might state otherwise...

Apple makes products for a mass market. B&O does not have the ambition to produce products for everyone. 

Granted Apple's products are also very nice designed... but that's where the comparison stops...

My B&O Icons:

BeoCenter-9500.png BeoCenter-9500.png
Beoremote-Beo4.png Beoremote-Beo4.png
Beovision-11.png Beovision-11.png
Beosound.png Beosound.png
Beosound-Essence.png Beosound-Essence.png
Beosound-Emerge.png Beosound-Emerge.png
Beosound-Balance.png Beosound-Balance.png
Beoremote-One.png Beoremote-One.png
Beoplay-S3.png Beoplay-S3.png
Beoplay-M3.png Beoplay-M3.png
Beoplay-H9i.png Beoplay-H9i.png
Beoplay-Earset.png Beoplay-Earset.png
Beoplay-E8.png Beoplay-E8.png
Beoplay-A1.png Beoplay-A1.png

vikinger wrote:

Do Beoworlders have any ideas for the product that could propel B&O back to profitable success?

BeoVision 10 springs to mind... Also the BeoVision 8-40; BeoLab 11. From what I hear in the market... These are all very well received by the customers...

My B&O Icons:

BeoCenter-9500.png BeoCenter-9500.png
Beoremote-Beo4.png Beoremote-Beo4.png
Beovision-11.png Beovision-11.png
Beosound.png Beosound.png
Beosound-Essence.png Beosound-Essence.png
Beosound-Emerge.png Beosound-Emerge.png
Beosound-Balance.png Beosound-Balance.png
Beoremote-One.png Beoremote-One.png
Beoplay-S3.png Beoplay-S3.png
Beoplay-M3.png Beoplay-M3.png
Beoplay-H9i.png Beoplay-H9i.png
Beoplay-Earset.png Beoplay-Earset.png
Beoplay-E8.png Beoplay-E8.png
Beoplay-A1.png Beoplay-A1.png

Beosound 3 with DAB dadio & Aux/USB/ipod plus the option to have it wireless ML so that it could connect to your main system but be portable. 

Might not make them loads money but could well draw people in, for me it would be a must have & will could be sold with very TV/Audio unit they sell as well as an add on.

I want one now please, no in fact I will have two.

vikinger wrote:
Do Beoworlders have any ideas for the product that could propel B&O back to profitable success?

The BeoHom.

Below is your first graph overlaid w/ US housing starts for the same period.

burantek wrote:

vikinger wrote:
Do Beoworlders have any ideas for the product that could propel B&O back to profitable success?

The BeoHom.

Below is your first graph overlaid w/ US housing starts for the same period.

Hmmmm. Less housing starts = more Apple sales????

Interesting. Maybe it's just Apple that's bucking the trend, with housing and stocks, inc B&O, in freefall.

Gold and silver are rising. Maybe B&O need to start using real gold and silver in their products.

Graham

Quote....Do Beoworlders have any ideas for the product that could propel B&O back to profitable success?....

Graham.. Unquote

Just read here /forum/general-discussion-and-questions/new-beosound-stage#post-2127038 about the new 6002 and 8002 Beolabs with ICE technology. Would not it be an idea to introduce a passive Beovox 6002 and 8002 version at say 30 % of the Lab's price to serve a much bigger potential market?   

The first rule to remember about business analysis:  correlation does not equal causation

When I was working as a commodities analyst, it was painful to read the conflicting stuff: "Costs are going up which should support metal prices at $x levels"   "Metal prices are rising which will support price increases by raw material producers"   and so on

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