BAND'OH! wrote:

Is the Avant Mk1 a top up from the BV11 models/panels by the way? I wasn't going to consider these but could do also.

Apart from Avant Mk I being 4K, the panels and picture are very much the same as BeoVision 11.

The 12-65 is so much better for everyday use than the Avant MK 1. I have the 12-65 in my lounge, and Avant 55 in my bedroom. The Avant i am very happy with, lovely even picture and 4K is pretty nice, even if not HDR.

But really, the 12-65 is better in so many respects - brighter, richer colours, handles dark scenes superbly, motion and panning pretty deftly, and Blu-Rays look marvellous. It's effectively issue free.

Its not the all in one that the Avant / BV11(4) / Horizon etc are, but paired with a set of speakers, and you'll wonder why you waited so long.

 

Would be great if B&o will fix the “bug” with Deezer on the first Avant.😴🤗

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Sandyb wrote:

The 12-65 is so much better for everyday use than the Avant MK 1.

I agree. Or the BV11-55. I have both and both perform superbly and have their pros (BV11 has a sharper image and perhaps a little better for sport).

Just to point out I bought an Avant MK-1 and it was awful. Sold it after only 6 months. Bought the BV12-65 an, as Sandyb rightly says, is a better set in many ways.

Sandyb wrote:

The 12-65 is so much better for everyday use than the Avant MK 1. I have the 12-65 in my lounge, and Avant 55 in my bedroom. The Avant i am very happy with, lovely even picture and 4K is pretty nice, even if not HDR.

But really, the 12-65 is better in so many respects - brighter, richer colours, handles dark scenes superbly, motion and panning pretty deftly, and Blu-Rays look marvellous. It's effectively issue free.

Its not the all in one that the Avant / BV11(4) / Horizon etc are, but paired with a set of speakers, and you'll wonder why you waited so long.

Sure, but the only thing that could hold you back, is the age.

What happens, if the display fails?

(P.S. How do you experience the performance of the built-in center speaker - is that ok?)

MM

It's pretty good in fact. I have nudged the sound settings to push the centre a touch harder, but not much. There can occasionally be movies where the speech is a little burying the mix, hence the adjustment. It's paired with 18's left and right, and 3's as rears.

But then again, even if I had something as capable as the Eclipse, I'd still have additional fronts and rears, as I like a room filling sound. Call it old age!

Two different sound/speaker concepts for a tv!

The 12 needs the added speaker - it is just a center channel.

IMO the center channel is the most important speaker in a multichannel setup - hence my question.

MM

Of course, yes different approaches

Though for me even the Eclipse isn't good enough to not require further speakers, but that's just me

Sure, but using the Eclipse speaker/s as a center speaker must be extremely good.

Looking forward to find a dealer, who has the Eclipse in a multi channel sound setup ;-)

MM

It will doubtless be highly impressive.

If i had a huge lounge / living space, my set up wouldn't be enough, but sadly i don't (my lounge is 5m by 4.5m, so not small).

The 12-65 with the 18s front, 3s rear and a 19 sub is enough to annoy the neighbours plenty.

B&O suggested to my dealer to display the Eclipse with 90s front and 50s rear.....which he won't, but even with 50s as fronts, that'll be awesome, though overkill for my situation. Anyway, audio wise, lots of excellent options.

If i moved to a bigger place, a pair of 50's would be first on the list, they're hugely enjoyable.