I've seen the Contour in the flesh a few times - and it is nowhere near as impressive or elegant or luxurious as the BV10 / 11 / 14

They looked expensive, the Contour looks somewhat less than that.

One may subjectively like the Contour, and I'm by no means arguing its poor, but objectively it would be hard to argue it looks anywhere near as classic or luxurious as the 11 / 14 etc.   Yes they were more expensive, but they also offered a lot more functionality wise.

OLED panels of 48/55 inch are not much more than 1k.  Adding a nice sound bar, remote and frame shouldn't make the whole package 5.5-6k.

Good that they offer a simpler BV, but few would raise eyebrows if it was 4000/4250.

People have debated since the Eclipse launch what actually constitutes a BV - well, the Contour really does pose that question!

 

Millemissen wrote:

@OliverC

Just like kuyttendaele I have visited the factory ‘more than once’.

I can asure you that this Beovision is not just an ‘assembly of existing products in a better looking package’.

Yes, the tv is the LG-tv and the sound system is basicly the Stage and both can be controlled with the Beoremote One - but there is a great deal of craftsmanship and efford gone into this ‘better looking package’.

I don’t know, whether you have seen the BV Contour in the flesh, touched it to feel the quality of the ‘package’, but most people who have or own it, are impressed. IMO it is just as or even more genuine than what we know from the BV10/11/14.

Yes, it is a lot of money - everything B&O is for different reasons a lot of money.

But the asked for prize of the Contour is not too much, also concidering the costs of the materials used.

The BV Contour is simply something else than an LG-tv and the BS Stage.

Whether someone will want to pay the more that the Contour cost, is (of course) his/her own personal decision - but that should not be done without having experienced the Contour in real life.

 

@Sandyb

A lot of people do not care for things like PUC control and expanding with more speakers - this is an offer for those people.

Those who need a greater flexibity can go for the Eclipse/Harmony.

I can easily recommend this BV - although it is not one, that I personally would want to buy myself……that is, if I wanted to buy one for my wife as her personal tv ;-)))

 

MM

 

@andy_js

You talk about "upgrading your BV11"... You are aware, that the price of the BV11 was much higher back then, than the price of the Contour today?

Why didn't you think the BV11 was too expensive when you bought that?

I think we have had this debate a little too often, when B&O launch a new product. The answer is simple - If you think it is too expensive, then it is not for you... 😕

From what I have heard, the Contour is selling quite well... And that's what matters. Some people simply want a standalone TV that looks good. If you want a cheaper solution, then buy something else... 

Why do some people buy Rolex watches or Gucchi bags..? Do you tell them: "Oh -its way too expensive - you can buy cheaper watches or bags that does the same job"..?

Some people want that extra luxury, and can afford it - others don't. If you don't want it, don't buy it... It's as simple as that.

I think that the price has as well to do with the fact that for this TV you don't need an extra TV furniture. Most of the people will use the floor stand. And a nice TV furniture or low cabinet from a well known brand or designer is quite often much more than 2000€...

LG 48 inch (999) + Stage (1200) + floor stand (600) + BR One (300) + nice furniture >= Contour 48 price!

An here is my 'problem' : for a small BeoVision I would have preferred it to have a more classical (rectangular) shape that I could easily put on a furniture. The Contour 48 on my 60 cm high back lacquered frosted glass cabinet would look really strange and bulky :-( . I miss very much the Horizon shape and its nice simple easel stand. My only chance now to have a BeoVision in a not so far future is to wait the 42 oled panels... if ever B&O launch one day a small TV.

Steffen wrote:

Why do some people buy Rolex watches or Gucchi bags..? Do you tell them: "Oh -its way too expensive - you can buy cheaper watches or bags that does the same job"..?

For Gucci bags I don't know. But a Rolex watch will hold it's value and even increase it over the years. I don't think any BeoVision will do the same. 😁

But I agree that all the 3 are exemples of 'perfect' manufacturing and they are made to bring you some pleasure!

My 40” BV11 with a motorised stand was virtually the same price as the 48” Contour is now with the floor stand. I felt it was worth the price because it was a fully integrated setup (surround sound processor, PUC, support for sharing audio using BeoLink multi-room and running in an integrated setup with the Moment).

The Rolex example is silly

Rolex make watches a certain level of luxury and finish, and functionality.

The equivalent would be if Rolex made a model that sort of looked like the Submariner, but with fewer functions (eg no date window, no second hand), a clearly much less nice finish, but charged 75% of the full Submariner, when at the same time Tudor make the same thing for less (than the 75% price).

It would not be well received by the Rolex community.

The answer that "if its too expensive dont buy it" doesn't really deal with the critique being offered.

 

 

Steffen wrote:

@andy_js

You talk about "upgrading your BV11"... You are aware, that the price of the BV11 was much higher back then, than the price of the Contour today?

Why didn't you think the BV11 was too expensive when you bought that?

I think we have had this debate a little too often, when B&O launch a new product. The answer is simple - If you think it is too expensive, then it is not for you... 😕

From what I have heard, the Contour is selling quite well... And that's what matters. Some people simply want a standalone TV that looks good. If you want a cheaper solution, then buy something else... 

Why do some people buy Rolex watches or Gucchi bags..? Do you tell them: "Oh -its way too expensive - you can buy cheaper watches or bags that does the same job"..?

Some people want that extra luxury, and can afford it - others don't. If you don't want it, don't buy it... It's as simple as that.

 

andy_js wrote:

My 40” BV11 with a motorised stand was virtually the same price as the 48” Contour is now with the floor stand. I felt it was worth the price because it was a fully integrated setup (surround sound processor, PUC, support for sharing audio using BeoLink multi-room and running in an integrated setup with the Moment).

Still wondering what is wrong with having the BV11!

If you really want a ‘more modern’ tv….and you want to maintain some of the virtues of the BV11, the BV Contour (and even more the LG/Stage combination) is the wrong way to look.

You’ll need the Eclipse/Harmony - otherwise you will have to get acoustumed to the fact of getting something, that is excellent picture and soundwise, but does not have the funcionallity of your current BV11.

Only you can answer that.

MM

Hello MM,

I didn’t want to underestimate the B&O craftsmanship, the Contour is a beautiful set and it’s playing on a different league compared to all the regular TVs, at the same time I am not willing to hijack the thread to a Cost Breakdown / Perceived Value exercise.

Here I am just an enthusiast sharing an opinion.

Getting back to comparisons within the B&O range, BV 10/11/14 you have mentioned were exquisite products with anti glare glass panels etc. and packed with more features, while they were a tad more expensive then the Contour when new.

On my previous message I was thinking about the Horizon, that also had B&O craftsmanship in it - admittedly not at the same level of the Contour - plus other relevant features.

There is a significant delta between the two, without considering that the 55” option is increasing the gap with a price list of 7.600 Euro, +1.500 Euro than the 48” Contour and +3.100 Euro than the 48” Horizon.

I am not complaining in general about the B&O prices, I am trying to compare B&O with B&O but I am struggling in finding a rationale in this specific price policy.

Of course if we have a “money is no object” approach, then we are all off topic.

IMHO I find hard to justify such price differences but again, it is only a personal point of view, while most importantly we all want to see B&O revenue and profit going up!

If this price list works, don’t fix it! 🙂

That’s why I see your point as a valid and alternative perspective and I am not only perfectly fine with it, but I read the comments from you and all the senior members with interest as you have a deep knowledge of all-things-B&O! 🤒

Thanks.

Olivier

Sandyb wrote:

The Rolex example is silly

Rolex make watches a certain level of luxury and finish, and functionality.

The equivalent would be if Rolex made a model that sort of looked like the Submariner, but with fewer functions (eg no date window, no second hand), a clearly much less nice finish, but charged 75% of the full Submariner, when at the same time Tudor make the same thing for less (than the 75% price).

It would not be well received by the Rolex community.

The answer that "if its too expensive dont buy it" doesn't really deal with the critique being offered.

 

Talking about silly examples - you win the price...

You're talking about "much less nice finish"... My point is, that if one buy the Contour, you'll get a much nicer finish/high end materials than if you buy the LG screen alone with a Stage.The Contour is not a downgrade of anything - it is an "upgrade" of a LG tv - not that you get better picture - but you get a luxury frame, that some people want to pay for...
Then you talk about "if Rolex made a model that looked like another, but with fewer functions"... oh my...😉
- this is NOT about a model that "looks like another"... it is a model with added extras. So your example is silly.

My point is that some people want to pay extra for that good look - they don't expect to get a "better" TV. - and they certainly don't care about what you think.

andy_js wrote:

My 40” BV11 with a motorised stand was virtually the same price as the 48” Contour is now with the floor stand. I felt it was worth the price because it was a fully integrated setup (surround sound processor, PUC, support for sharing audio using BeoLink multi-room and running in an integrated setup with the Moment).

You're talking about a 40" compared to a 48"...If you will compare prices, it would be more correct to compare the 46" BV11 with the 48" Contour.
The BV 11 series was generally much more expensive than the Contour, if we compare screen sizes.
Do you remember the price of the 55" BV 11?