Hello

i will try it in another store but i think the problem is they don t get realy the .1 signal

they are very good also with out the .1 signal but when you like to watch movies

you will hear the difrence

i thought maybe there is a solution to sent the.1 signal to the bl5 just like the bl2

nisrani wrote:

Hello

i will try it in another store but i think the problem is they don t get realy the .1 signal

they are very good also with out the .1 signal but when you like to watch movies

you will hear the difrence

i thought maybe there is a solution to sent the.1 signal to the bl5 just like the bl2

I'm sure the x.1 signal does go to the BL5's in BL5 mode - the amps and bass drivers in the BL5's are so much more capable (and bigger) than the BL2. Why would B&O prevent the use of a BL2 with BL5's if there was a benefit to be had from the presence of the BL2 - it just doesn't make sense, if nothing else they could otherwise sell an additional £2K speaker alongside the £11K+ front pair.

 See how you feel after trying the other store.

nisrani wrote:

maybe you can try it some where and hear the diffrents maybe the bl 5 is supreme in stereand in 5.1 they don t get

the right signal to preform

I have both, a surround setup with BL5 and a stereo setup with BL8000/BL2 and I can confirm the BL5 setup sounds great both in stereo (music) and 5.1. I also like my BL2 - it`s the best small "bass cabinet" I know - but the 5s go even deeper and sound more "naturel"....

So I`m sure something was wrong in the store.

Stefan

stefan wrote:

nisrani wrote:

maybe you can try it some where and hear the diffrents maybe the bl 5 is supreme in stereand in 5.1 they don t get

the right signal to preform

I have both, a surround setup with BL5 and a stereo setup with BL8000/BL2 and I can confirm the BL5 setup sounds great both in stereo (music) and 5.1. I also like my BL2 - it`s the best small "bass cabinet" I know - but the 5s go even deeper and sound more "naturel"....

So I`m sure something was wrong in the store.

Stefan

 

Hello so if you watch a movie whit bl8000 whit the bl2

you dont hear any diffrents when you listen it with the bl5 surround set up

in the store whit the bl2 it was more powerfull

can you try it

the bl5 sound more natural i also heard that in the store but the bl2 soundes much more powerfull

just like you get blowed away and i didnt had that whit only bl5 maybe something was wrong

nisrani wrote:

stefan wrote:

nisrani wrote:

maybe you can try it some where and hear the diffrents maybe the bl 5 is supreme in stereand in 5.1 they don t get

the right signal to preform

I have both, a surround setup with BL5 and a stereo setup with BL8000/BL2 and I can confirm the BL5 setup sounds great both in stereo (music) and 5.1. I also like my BL2 - it`s the best small "bass cabinet" I know - but the 5s go even deeper and sound more "naturel"....

So I`m sure something was wrong in the store.

Stefan

 

 

Hello so if you watch a movie whit bl8000 whit the bl2

you dont hear any diffrents when you listen it with the bl5 surround set up

in the store whit the bl2 it was more powerfull

can you try it

the bl5 sound more natural i also heard that in the store but the bl2 soundes much more powerfull

just like you get blowed away and i didnt had that whit only bl5 maybe something was wrong

The BL5's should completely blow away the BL8000/BL2 combination by a good margin - try in a different store!

The BL5s, when correctly set up, accept and handle the .1 signal excellently, and in a far superior way from the BL2.

They are specifically designed to precisely respond to every little flutter in an LFE signal.
In my setup, I have movies where the walls are literally breathing when the ooomphs and explosions go off. While the BL2 is a good sub, the BL5s are outstanding subs.
I believe the driver in the BL2 is a 9" unit, the sub-drivers in the BL5s are 2x15", propelled by 1000W amp's, with a throw that moves 1,8l of air with each pulse, and because of the design, the woofer is cracking sharp and distinct.

So, it's a setup issue, and the dealer should sit down with the manual and get it fixed. (BTW - this isn't the first time in here that people report "liking the BL2 better" so I guess this isn't the only dealer getting it wrong.

I'm not familiar with the BeoSystem 3 LFE assignment, but pretty certain that's where the problem is.

soundproof wrote:

The BL5s, when correctly set up, accept and handle the .1 signal excellently, and in a far superior way from the BL2.

They are specifically designed to precisely respond to every little flutter in an LFE signal.
In my setup, I have movies where the walls are literally breathing when the ooomphs and explosions go off. While the BL2 is a good sub, the BL5s are outstanding subs.
I believe the driver in the BL2 is a 9" unit, the sub-drivers in the BL5s are 2x15", propelled by 1000W amp's, with a throw that moves 1,8l of air with each pulse, and because of the design, the woofer is cracking sharp and distinct.

So, it's a setup issue, and the dealer should sit down with the manual and get it fixed. (BTW - this isn't the first time in here that people report "liking the BL2 better" so I guess this isn't the only dealer getting it wrong.

I'm not familiar with the BeoSystem 3 LFE assignment, but pretty certain that's where the problem is.

Can it be that the (almost uncontrolled) "boom and rumble" characteristics of the BL2, relative to the BL5, can be interpreted as preferable? 

Possibly.  A glance at the spec sheet will show that in bass extension, the BL2 is 'average' and the BL5 is outstanding.  True bass infrasonics, i.e. bass that goes below 20hz, is the province of top tier subs, amongst which the BL5, whilst being a full range speaker, can compete with the very best.

What marks it out is it's ability to play to very low levels ( > 15 hz) and do so with low distortion and high output (<115db)  That is rare enough in a dedictated 'high end' sub, let alone a full range speaker.

Conversely, most subs play hard around 30 - 50 hz, which is where a lot of the boom and bang occurs in movies; however for true bass infrasonics with wall and trouser flapping bass, the BL5's will reign supreme.

HTH

Best

John...

Can it be that the (almost uncontrolled) "boom and rumble" characteristics of the BL2, relative to the BL5, can be interpreted as preferable? 

what do you mean by this that the boom and rumble from the bl2 is stronger than the bl5

i want to buy one of these set-up and not that i later regrete it

thanks

The BL2 is less precise than the BL5. The motor that moves the diaphragm of the speaker (the throw of the speaker) is not as fast and precise as the BL5s. Therefore, in portions of a soundtrack where there's a lot of information, the BL2 will interpret this as one WHUMP, where the BL5s will properly decode it, to let you hear what you would hear in a good cinema, with a starting blast, the explosion itself, the aftermath (exaggerating a little, but it's the principle).

Just to move a similar amount of air (though not as efficiently as a pair of BL5s), you would probably need eight BL2s.

I think your dealer failed to do one of the following:

1. Correctly specify where the LFE signal should go, in a setup without a separate subwoofer and with BL5s as front speakers.

2. Correctly identify which version of the movie's soundtrack should be played.

3. Correctly specify the boundaries of the LFE signal (the crossover point) in the processing.

4. Had Dynamic Response limitation engaged, when the BL5s were connected. Probably "night listening" mode, without bass.

Anyone disappointed by the BL5s bass response in movies (when properly set up) would probably need to wire individual sticks of dynamite to their sound system and set those off at each explosion. 😁