avforum is the biggest *** , i was banned to for nothing. 

moxxey wrote:

Michael wrote:

I am also going to the invitation on the 8th of May and I look forward to seeing it! I don't want to believe the rumours that the sound is bad as moxxey seems to think. 

Bad? I've never heard anything so laughable. "Bad"? Seriously? Where on earth does "bad" come in to this discussion?

The audio level is on a par with the BV11 I've been told. The BV11 has excellent audio, made better with a sub. Even better with the addition of satellites. The new Avant will be the same. It will be a step up from the V1's audio capabilities.

"No, I think I've mentioned at least three times my dealer thought the sound was the weakest part (for want of a much better description) as it's provided via a thin speaker which hides behind the screen when not in use - you can't have amazing sound *and* no cabinet space!" 

Michael wrote:

"No, I think I've mentioned at least three times my dealer thought the sound was the weakest part (for want of a much better description) as it's provided via a thin speaker which hides behind the screen when not in use - you can't have amazing sound *and* no cabinet space!" 

Michael, that doesn't imply it's "bad". Incredible. I've also repeatedly said it's on a par with the BV11, which has excellent audio capabilities, especially with a sub. Do you even understand what "bad" means?

The fact is simple - if you do not have the cabinet volume, you can't expect audio on the level of the original Avant. Nor the BL7.2/7.6. However, this doesn't define the audio as "bad". It just means do not expect it to match the original Avant.

Raeuber wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

 

i spoke to my dealer just a couple of minutes ago.

 

The update has been delayed for a couple of days.

 

Well, if they get it out with the launch of the Avant it should be ok.

 

P.S. Heard rumours about the 'USB-recording' beeing part of an update for all (BSys4-engine based) tv's - that would be great!

 

Can anyone confirm that?

 

MM

 

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

 

 

Hi MM,

 

 

such rumours also existed with introduction of BV 10 in 2009, but it never happened at all.

 

 

Greets

 

 

Räuber

When I bought my V1 and it was completely new with very old firmware, it had instructions on the internal guidance system on how to use the usb recording feature. Then they took that chapter away in a new update. I guess they just have to make it stable enough. No one uses the usb-port for anything else anyway (at least not me!) so it would be great to put a usb disk there. 

moxxey wrote:

Michael wrote:

"No, I think I've mentioned at least three times my dealer thought the sound was the weakest part (for want of a much better description) as it's provided via a thin speaker which hides behind the screen when not in use - you can't have amazing sound *and* no cabinet space!" 

Michael, that doesn't imply it's "bad". Incredible. I've also repeatedly said it's on a par with the BV11, which has excellent audio capabilities, especially with a sub. Do you even understand what "bad" means?

The fact is simple - if you do not have the cabinet volume, you can't expect audio on the level of the original Avant. Nor the BL7.2/7.6. However, this doesn't define the audio as "bad". It just means do not expect it to match the original Avant.

You said that afterwards, yes. If the sound is the weakest part I would say that is a bad thing. Especially for a B&O TV. But I don't believe that it is bad either, I just thought it was interesting that you said "three times" that your dealer remarked about the weakest part - the sound. No need to be angry with me. 

I think one factor to keep in mind is the introduction of algorithms in the system 4 chassis.  Even when the speaker has a thinner cabinet,

the technology allows for a more 'full' sound because of digital manipulation of the audio that is broadcast.

I currently have several B&O televisions (7 [with 7.2],8,9,10,4 [with 7.4] ,v1) the best sounding, IMO, is the beovision 9 (for true one channel).

However, I recently added two v1 televisions to the mix and the sound from the 40 both for TV and music is very good IMO.

I use it in the master bath and it, to me, is better than the sound of the beolab 3500 which it replaced.

Again, having some insight here, I think that the volume production and power of the new avant's speakers, coupled with

the new algorithm application will surprise the masses.  Some among us seem to be discouraged by every product that is 

released to market.  

As for the new speaker, the new BL9, I can't imagine they change it much.  Frankly, at the price point, what else could a 

consumer ask for?  (I realize that some of you will disagree with that, but when evaluated against B&W or Wilson and amplification, these are a bargain)

I guess the third product is the new remote.  I think that will be a cool addition to my collection.  I am told I should not order 10 and replace

my Beo 4s though.  Maybe it will take some getting acquainted with?  I also need to retract that it is a new Beolink 7000.  Apparently that is 

not the case based upon what I now know.

I think the reveal will be a hit, and at the price point of the Avant, I anticipate it gets some market share back for B&O in the television arena.  Look forward to some new 'magic' from B&O.

I refuse to judge a tv, that I haven't seen or heard (!) yet.

Calm down guys - it's only a couple of day untill it is launched and in the shops.

Untill then maybe (re)read some of the articles that Geoff Martin wrote about speakers and sound on his blog.

You might start with

Chris Townsend wrote:

You've obviously never woken up to a woman with more facial hair than yourself

 

We used to call that coyote ugly, if you woke up and she was laying on your arm you'd chew your arm off rather than wake her up. I had a buddy back when I was single that when we went bar hopping would look around the room, point out some woman and say "Jeff, when that looks good to me make me go home."

The whole subject about reviews is interesting. B&O has traditionally not even advertised in audio mags, not for decades, rather they show up in things like Architectural Digest, Dwell, etc. I do have a review from Stereo Review or Audio when the BL8000 was first introduced though.

And I've seen Beovision reviews, and the odd Beolab review and such online. Would reviews really help? Depends on the reviewer, too many will always qualify any positive statement about a B&O product with qualifiers like "you can get as good for less"  or "some people consider them just a pretty face." Mostly no matter how positive the review is the overall impression is left to be not good. It's like they have to pick some nit to keep their audiophile credentials in place.

I also don't fully understand why people are so wigged out by the secrecy...that's very common in tech companies. Apple for instance will go to great lengths and legal means to crack down on any leaks. I understand wanting to know what's up as you get excited by an upcoming product launch, but companies pay a lot of money to setup a product launch and don't want it to fizzle if everyone gets the info beforehand. I also don't understand how negative people here can be at times before they even know what the product is capable of doing. Everyone seems to make up ideas about what it will and won't do before they even see it! 😠