Medogsfat wrote:

He isn't offering anything here - he has no choice in this as he has a legal obligation under distance selling laws.

Under the return policy in the auction it states this.  Given his use of "we" and "our", it sounds like his policy, or at least his agreement to abide by rules in effect. 

mediabobny wrote:

Under the return policy in the auction it states this.  Given his use of "we" and "our", it sounds like his policy, or at least his agreement to abide by rules in effect. 

All But It Now items are covered by the seven day return policy as described within the Distance selling regulations Any item returned must be in the condition described and at the buyers cost. Auction style listings are exempt from refunds unless the item is found to be significantly not as described-we always do our best to describe our items but it is not always possible to comment on every mark and scratch. Please bear in mind that many of our items are second hand and of some age. Any item listed as spare parts or falls in our spare part shop catogary is NOT eligable for returns on the basis that the fitting of parts incorrectly can cause irrepairable damage to the unit. We always advise customers to arrange fitting by a fully competant person We always obtain Proof of Posting and make sure items posted are covered by relevant postal insurance.

This part is a really grey area, he sells plenty of spare parts on a buy it now basis which are listed as being in fully tested & working condition. I can see someone returning a non-working part only find it is his word against yours. Where does that leave the buyer? As far as I'm concerned the distance selling regulations still apply & no disclaimer or "returns policy" should stand against this. As you can see above he is totally contradicting himself.

Chris.

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Oh dear.

It has also been stated by another member that he has had good dealings with this seller.

This company has not been "slated", just one of his attempts at customising some speakers left a little to be desired and was only the subject of personal taste. Lots of sales on ebay are picked up on this forum and are subject to the same type of scrutiny - it doesn't mean the seller is untrustworthy or that the item is not going to appeal to someone else. I'm sure someone out there will buy them before too long & be happy with them - it just won't be myself or many other B&O fans who like things being done with a little more subtlety and in keeping with the original designs.

As mentioned at the top of this thread - I doubt if you will find anyone here who will suggest not paying for these & his lifestyle should have no bearing on this whatsoever. If someone ever bought somthing off of myself & then changed their minds simply because I have a nice house, car & dog I would be livid.

Chris.

"What more are you looking for?  You are precisely what makes selling an unpleasant experience for sellers."

Hi JOHNIE

I've replied to your other post but it looks like you're going to pull out of the deal you made anyway....... I can't really see what difference it makes to you if you think the seller has got 10 swimming pools or not... He's running a business...good businesses make money...that's how the society we live in works.

I can only concur with the line of the above...

Cheers

Nigel 

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@JONNIE

You have a very jaundiced view of running a small business selling pre-owned B&O or any other small business. How do you know that this seller is making "healthy profits". By the time he has paid all his dues, he will be lucky if he has enough left to fill his bath, never mind a swimming pool or two.

Ebay fees, paypal fees, 20% of margin to VAT man, income tax, national insurance, bank interest and fees, motoring costs to collect stock, wages etc, etc. are just some of the outgoings before making a "profit".

I regards what I said , this was said following the fact  I had seen some not very favourable remarks about certain items on Ebay, I then asked advice on a price for items as I am not too familiar with prices based on used goods (being new to Ebay and new to Band O stuff !) However I have seen some rather high prices and some rather inflated especially for B and O items ,it also brought me to conclusion some people could well want to take advantage of B and O buyers wrongly assuming they have very large wallets and will just be taken in by possible "kudos" of it all !Also when I see boards like "Flash your B and O "I could even possibly understand why some could take advantage of some!(especially those who like myself am not expert on proper/fair value of things") Secondly the remarks I made regarding "swimming pool" were said rather tongue in cheek amd were in no way slanderous to seller or indeed to anyone who has a swimming pool!"its was just based on my opinion and also if people were true to themselves thay would also agree with what I said ! So now please lets end this , I had some good advice and I have learnt quite alot regarding E-bay and possible better buying techniques !So instead of having a go at me,why dont you go and look at "flash your b and o" and enjoy  the goods and just hope these have all paid a fair price ? I rest my case .....

JONNIE,

            did you delete your previous post yourself? I thought it was a very good response to the criticism you got for contemplating cancelling the sale.

The fact you took it on the chin & decided to go ahead with the purchase (you could have easily just have disappeared into the ether without a by your leave) says a lot about your character - in a good way 😕

I personally didn't expect any further castigation of you after you submitted that comment, but there are a lot of traders in used B&O who frequent this particular section of the forum which is possibly one reason why the reaction was so intense - that & the ethos of fair play amongst the membership is very strong.

I agree with you that a line should be drawn under this thread as you suggest.

Chris.

I think the one big thing people seem to forget is that you're getting a brilliant item for about a third of its retail price! That's a bargain!!! 

Just enjoy your purchase, and stop worrying whether you paid 50 pounds too much....