BEOGRAM 1700 problem with SMMC20 Soundsmith cartridge !

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Maggie (archived)
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Posted July 27, 2007 at 17:10 GMT
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Please help me...

I bought and regret the  SMMC20 cartridge from Soundsmith, handmade they say.

I called a genuine B&O technician to install it and it wont fit in my BEOGRAM 1700 !!!

Soundsmith says it is high end, but it is ugly and the most important is that I wasted lots of hundreds of euros.

It is totally new !    Does anybody want to buy it ?

Why doesn't it fit ?  Are there different types of BEOGRAMs 1700 in the world with different holes to plug the cartridge ?

Soundsmith says it is made for 1700, but I just got a ...stroke yesterday with the technician …. !

What do I do now ?  I can assure you I don’t have that much money to waste...

Can I make it fit somehow ?

DO YOU WANT TO BUY IT, to get rid of it ?  I didn’t touch it, it is brand new !

PLEASE-PLEASE HELP ME  !!!!

Thanks,

Maggie

 

 

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Peter
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Posted July 27, 2007 at 17:30 GMT
#1674860
I see no reason it won't fit. The SMMC20 range are a tight fit but I have a SMMC20EN and it fits on my BG4004 perfectly. I agree that the appearance is not as good as the original B&O cartridges but the sound quality is better. Where are you based? Maybe one of our members can help?

My B&O Icons:

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Maggie (archived)
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Posted July 27, 2007 at 17:38 GMT
#1674861

I live in Athens, Greece.

The holes of my 1700 with those of the cartridge cannot be inserted to one another.  The B&O technician could not do it, and it was obvious with my simple eye that you cannot insert it.

Could there be different types of BEOGRAMs with different "holes" for the cartridges ?

What do I do now ?

DOES ANYONE WANT TO BUY IT ? 

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Peter
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Posted July 27, 2007 at 17:40 GMT
#1674862
Does yours have 4 small pin holes set in a diamond pattern?

My B&O Icons:

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Maggie (archived)
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Posted July 27, 2007 at 17:52 GMT
#1674863
exactly !
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Peter
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Posted July 27, 2007 at 17:53 GMT
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I guess that someone has replaced your MMC20 fitting arm with a MMC1-5 fitting arm. The 1700 was the basis for the turntable in the 7000 series of Beocenters and the last models, the 7007 and 7700 used the MMC1-5 range of cartridges. What cartridge was on the deck when you first got hold of it?

My B&O Icons:

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Beovox.png Beovox.png
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Beotime.png Beotime.png
Beosound-Stage.png Beosound-Stage.png
Beosound-Moment.png Beosound-Moment.png
Beosound-5.png Beosound-5.png
Beosound-2.png Beosound-2.png
Beoremote-One.png Beoremote-One.png
Beoplay-Portal.png Beoplay-Portal.png
Beoplay-Earset.png Beoplay-Earset.png
Beomaster.png Beomaster.png
Beolit.png Beolit.png
Beogram-400x.png Beogram-400x.png
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Peter
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Posted July 27, 2007 at 17:54 GMT
#1674865
You need an SMMC4. I would see if soundsmith will swap it.

My B&O Icons:

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Beoremote-Beo4.png Beoremote-Beo4.png
Beovox.png Beovox.png
Beovision-11.png Beovision-11.png
Beotime.png Beotime.png
Beosound-Stage.png Beosound-Stage.png
Beosound-Moment.png Beosound-Moment.png
Beosound-5.png Beosound-5.png
Beosound-2.png Beosound-2.png
Beoremote-One.png Beoremote-One.png
Beoplay-Portal.png Beoplay-Portal.png
Beoplay-Earset.png Beoplay-Earset.png
Beomaster.png Beomaster.png
Beolit.png Beolit.png
Beogram-400x.png Beogram-400x.png
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Maggie (archived)
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Posted July 27, 2007 at 18:05 GMT
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I never replaced the fitting arm.

If I have changed cartidge these old days, I have bought for sure an original one just like the one I had from B&O's store in Athens, Greece.

The courier is too expensive to send it to soundsmith.  And I will have to pay again 250 euros as a "gift" to UPS to do the customs duties to deliver it to my hands ....   no comment  :(  

I should probably sell it or never listen to a record again cause i am very angry.... 

 

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Friedmett (archived)
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Posted July 27, 2007 at 18:20 GMT
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That is the most stupid thing to do!

You got a great pickup in your hands. If it does not fit the Beogram then find another 1700 or another that uses the MMC20 range.

See the Beogram sections on this site for instance for the other models.

A Beogram without a pickup or a bad one is not worth much. Just make sure that your pickup will fit(bring it along) and that the Beogram works fine.

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Maggie (archived)
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Posted July 27, 2007 at 19:16 GMT
#1674868

I just found a beogram 1700 with a MMC 20 S cartridge with stylus.

do you think this is OK to fit to my  SMMC20CL+    ???

 

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