The most common Light and Curtain Control in Switzerland:

http://www.feller.ch/lang_d/produkte/beamit.php

sadly cant be control'd with Beo5.

Havent found any Data concerning frequencies or Protocols.

Edit: well found IR-Trägerfrequenz 447,5 kHz, guess were out of reach

What makes you say that ?

B&O use a carrier frequency of 455 Khz, so I expect this company is using the same IR transmitter/receiver diodes as B&O, so carrier is not going to be your problem.

The best way to get the codes is capture them, unfortunately most capture devices are not good at working at these high carrier frequencies.

Do you actually have a original remote control ? If yes, then I suggest try capturing a couple of commands for test.

Keith Saunders wrote:

What makes you say that ?

B&O use a carrier frequency of 455 Khz, so I expect this company is using the same IR transmitter/receiver diodes as B&O, so carrier is not going to be your problem.

The best way to get the codes is capture them, unfortunately most capture devices are not good at working at these high carrier frequencies.

Do you actually have a original remote control ? If yes, then I suggest try capturing a couple of commands for test.

Actually I think he is right... as far as I remember seeing in the tech spec, the 3-pty IR is limited to the frequency range of 20-80 kHz. I doubt that you can make a 3-pty product template that uses a 447 kHz carrier but I'm not 100% sure.

Br,
Burnix

hmm interesting, B&O Switzerland is trying to get it to work quite a while (directly with Denmark). i tryed to capture it with the Lintronic Box but it dident work. it doesent show up. the box isent showing anything at all.

447,5 kHz versus 455 kHz is a difference of less than 2% so that should be no problem - I have a self made AVR microcontroller based IR project, which due to software timing issues can send either at around 420 kHz or 480 kHz, not between. It can control B&O devices with no problem, only the range is reduced quite a bit compared to lower carriers which can produced accurately.

The transmitter diodes are just the same for all carriers - it is what's driving them that decides the carrier (the diodes can have different IR wavelengths, but that is a completely different matter - and again, mismatch problems would just reduce the range and sensitivity, not completely prevent the control from working). I have absolutely no idea of the internal design of Beo 5, but it is possible that they have fixed hardware taking care of sending B&O control codes at 455 kHz, so it would be difficult or impossible to use that carrier for sending other protocols. The 455 kHz probably has a separate output stage (and transmitter diode) anyway because the on/off timings are so far from the others, and the power amp design needs to be different for efficiency.

Some equipment uses radio frequency control at 4xx megahertz which the Beo 5 nor the Lintronic receiver obviously know nothing about, and this might create confusion since the numbers look the same, but I suppose this isn't the case now...

tournedos wrote:

447,5 kHz versus 455 kHz is a difference of less than 2% so that should be no problem

True, but the problem is that 3PTY is limited to 20-80 kHz... i.e. you cannot (to my knowledge) make a e.g. RAW that uses 455 kHz.
The only protocol allowed to use this frequency is B&Os own protocol because then the on-time for the IR diode is known. With e.g. the RAW format, the on-time for the diodes are variable and that could cause the diodes to break due to too much power (too long on-time).

So - I doubt that you will succeed in making a third-party XML that will work with 455 kHz.

Br,
Burnix

Hi together,

I installed version 3.87 yesterday and was surprised, that the XML file for the Feller Beamit is included. Immediately, I added the device to my configuration, but it did not work. I tried every button for toggelling, switching on and off the lights, but without success.

Has anyone tried to use this device as well?

Thanks and best regards,

hangglider

Hello Hangglider,

I have reviewed and tested the Feller Beamit XML file and it uses Philips RC6 32 bit protocol.

When I reviewed the Feller's web site I noted that they have more than one version of remote control which may use different protocols.

The only way to be certain if there is an error or it is a different remote is if you can capture one or two commands from your original Feller remote and post them and I should be able to determine if an error has been made or its for a different Feller's remote.

Hi Keith,

Thank you for the answer.

The problem is, that I`m not able to capture a command.  The whole story alreday begun two years ago. Then I wanted to use a Lintronic box to convert BEO5 commands to the Feller commands. I was in contact with Michael Lindgaard from Lintronic. I sent him the Feller remote, so he could test, if it is possible to detect the commands. He said, he is also not able to detect the signal, therefore he would need frequency information about the product. I contacted Feller to give me this information, but they were not willing to make this data public. So I gave up. In the meantime I used the original remote.

Another point is also interesting. Few months ago, I bought a Marmitek PowermidXL which transforms the IR signal to RF and back. So you are able to control a device through walls. The specification says, that all remotes are working except B&O. But after several tests I noticed, that Feller is also not working.

Would there be another possibility to capture a command?

Thank you,

Hangglider

hangglider wrote:

I contacted Feller to give me this information, but they were not willing to make this data public. So I gave up. In the meantime I used the original remote.

The silliness of some manufacturers... nothing prevents anyone from just using an IR phototransistor and an oscilloscope to find it out anyway.

However, according to