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ErikVonAgnar
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Hi

If you don't want the "start up logo", have you tried to turn of the Eco/ energy saving? If you have fast start up the logo doesn't show, only the curtains. 

 

Try it Smile

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gami replied on Thu, Sep 21 2017 1:12 PM
Flatpanelshd
BeoVision Eclipse : First impressions 😉
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gami:

Flatpanelshd
BeoVision Eclipse : First impressions 😉

"Because LG is responsible for all things related to video, everything works." Auch B&O...

Anyway... descent article...

Karel.


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Bv7Mk3 replied on Fri, Sep 22 2017 9:53 AM

Yes very good. There is more to the elcipse than you see on the outside! Im very interested in one.

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Jeff replied on Fri, Sep 22 2017 2:56 PM

kuyttendaele:

gami:

Flatpanelshd
BeoVision Eclipse : First impressions 😉

"Because LG is responsible for all things related to video, everything works." Auch B&O...

Anyway... descent article...

Karel.


That is what's also known as "press release rewritten as an article."

Jeff

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

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Martin replied on Fri, Sep 22 2017 3:59 PM

Hi, I just got a message from Beocare that Beolink Gateway is NOT supported by the Eclipse. They said that this will maybe happen later......

So, B&O is doing the same as they have done with BV 14/Avant NG meaning that complete functionality is not complete when they launch a new product. I thought that B&O had learned something from the poor Android-project. But also the Eclipse is not complete with no BLGW support and no full Multiroom functionality. Really bad. I was in the mood of buying a Eclipse but now I will wait 6-12 month or until everything that should work WILL work.

/Martin

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moxxey replied on Fri, Sep 22 2017 4:28 PM

Jeff:

That is what's also known as "press release rewritten as an article."

To be fair, I think they were actually at the show, so it really is a "first impression" based on what they saw - it's not a review.

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Flatpanels usually don't do 'rewritten press releases'.

They will have a full test coming soon, by the way.

MM

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Yesterday I had a good look at a BeoVision Eclipse 55".

Picture: as it should be

Sound: very good

Design: ok, enough HDMI ports to get it connected to my old (and possibly new) devices.

Looks: ok. I would look for a simple wall mount and a speaker fret in a dark or reddish colour.

Now the problem with the price tag: I try to follow Geofff's thoughts about a sound system with an added monitor. Well, the soundsystem makes about 6,000 € and the monitor about 3,000 €. My choice would be less than 9,000 €. Now, I only have to cough up the €€€ ...

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Puncher replied on Sun, Sep 24 2017 5:35 PM

Millemissen:

Flatpanels usually don't do 'rewritten press releases'.

They will have a full test coming soon, by the way.

MM

The video part of BeoVision Eclipse can be described in two words: LG OLED. As part of the partnership between the two electronics companies, LG has taken over the main responsibility of development of display panel as well as the complete video engine and the complete OS.

If you look around back you will even see a small sticker near the input panel, which reveals that OLED panel in Eclipse, in its basic form, is the LG C7 OLED. If you open the menus, you will find that Eclipse is based on webOS with some visual adjustments, added menus to control sound, and some missing apps. Both webOS and the video engine have been developed solely by LG and run on a LG-designed SoC,
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....................Still, the luxury company has to convince buyers that this is still a ‘Bang & Olufsen TV’ to justify the high price tag.

 

As we've said , standard LG TV, B&O sound!

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ErikVonAgnar:

Hi

If you don't want the "start up logo", have you tried to turn of the Eco/ energy saving? If you have fast start up the logo doesn't show, only the curtains. 

Try it Smile

//EA

EVA, how long till your Eclipse is ready and to be installed?

KR, 

MH

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Michael replied on Mon, Sep 25 2017 11:17 AM

Did anyone look into the Loewe Bild 7? It looks much better in build quality than the Eclipse. It does not have the same high performance speaker bar (but still very, very good) although it moves the speaker bar with motors just like the Avant and it has the electronic curtains too and mainly a much, much greater user interface that looks very smooth.

The fabric is also covering the plastic back so it looks pretty nice from both sides. It also comes in a 77" inch size.
It comes with a wall mount but floor and table stands are available too, as is hinged wall mounts.

The TV is also considerably cheaper, in swedish prices:
55" Bild 7: 53 000 kr
55" Eclipse: 80 000 kr

65 bild 7: 75 000 kr
65" Eclipse 117 000 kr


Looks more and more like the way to go if one wants a clean looking interface. I do like the look of the Eclipse but I think the sound bar is too wide and the mix of good and bad materials is a downer. But mostly I feel that the user interface is horrible and totally not what I want. Like a cheap chair compared to the original that is way more expensive. May look the same but the feeling is so very, very different. Why? Because it has a thought behind it and quality materials of course. 

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Michael replied on Mon, Sep 25 2017 11:37 AM

But of course, there is disadvantages too.
No Powerlink.(They have a similar solution)
No PUC. (but HDMI-CEC)
Ugly remote and less elegant design

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KMA replied on Mon, Sep 25 2017 9:25 PM

Lee’s Garage Sale has one Loewe Bild 7 for sale for a VERY attractive price.

I know Lee wouldn’t post about it here, but I will – just because it’s a great set & bargain price, and I wish to shamelessly promote & support Lee’s sale at the the BeoWorld sales thread.

(For the BeoWorld App team: posting via the iPhone App does not work. It stopped working when iOS 11 came out, but I’m not sure if these things are related.)

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BeoGreg replied on Tue, Sep 26 2017 5:00 PM

I'm one of the ones saying that the Eclipse is too expensive.

Why ? I just compared it to the Tv it replaces, the Avant 55", that for me as some B&O appeal (contrast screen, vision clear, curtains, magic 480 watts speakers...) but is priced 1.000 € less.

The Eclipse as a smaller stand (should cost less), less powerfull non mechanical speakers (should cost less) and a standard LG Oled screen (witch is good but should also cost less because no glass or anti-reflection coating).

Less + less + less = more ? Not acceptable.

And it's not because the Eclipse is overpriced that some other Tv's were not.

Never I would have bought a BV7-55 or a BV12 (far too expensive for me the average guy).

At last some over nice Tv's were available in the range.

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svinaik replied on Tue, Sep 26 2017 8:35 PM

BeoGreg:
Less + less + less = more ? Not acceptable.

I could not have summed it up better.

Some of the B&O Fan boys are trying hard to convince us that Eclipse is a great value but thinking minds are not buying the argument. I had no trouble spending far more money on BL 50 but I am not buying into the Eclipse at the current price range. Let it be 30% lower and I am all interested.

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Duels replied on Tue, Sep 26 2017 9:03 PM

svinaik:

Some of the B&O Fan boys are trying hard to convince us that Eclipse is a great value but thinking minds are not buying the argument.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone say it's great value. 

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StUrrock replied on Tue, Sep 26 2017 9:11 PM

Puncher:

Millemissen:

Flatpanels usually don't do 'rewritten press releases'.

They will have a full test coming soon, by the way.

MM

The video part of BeoVision Eclipse can be described in two words: LG OLED. As part of the partnership between the two electronics companies, LG has taken over the main responsibility of development of display panel as well as the complete video engine and the complete OS.

If you look around back you will even see a small sticker near the input panel, which reveals that OLED panel in Eclipse, in its basic form, is the LG C7 OLED. If you open the menus, you will find that Eclipse is based on webOS with some visual adjustments, added menus to control sound, and some missing apps. Both webOS and the video engine have been developed solely by LG and run on a LG-designed SoC,
................

....................Still, the luxury company has to convince buyers that this is still a ‘Bang & Olufsen TV’ to justify the high price tag.

 

As we've said , standard LG TV, B&O sound!

Quite right, B&O do the decent thing and admit you do not (cannot?) make TVs.

Then make a decent looking soundbar with magic and multi room.

BTW the aluminium thing is looking very dated now.

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BAND'OH! replied on Tue, Sep 26 2017 10:50 PM

StUrrock:
BTW the aluminium thing is looking very dated now.

Agreed. I have posted several times over the months in various threads that there is nothing new coming from B&O. The stands all look the same, the speakers are variants of older models, blah blah blah. No design effort from Struer for so long.

I am interested in the Bild 7 and will likely buy one. The disappointment is that I would have expected that from B&O not from Loewe - no disrespect to Loewe intended but I have never been a Loewe 'fanboy' that's all. Simon.

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The sound from the Eclipse is better then the Avant 55", so it should be priced a bit more. 
The picture is far better on the Eclipse then the Avant 55", so it should be priced more. 
The WebOS on the LG screen is far better and smother to operate so it should also be worth something. 

If I go and buy a new TV from Beo that I want to stick with me for some time. I will not go for an old Avant NG with a buggy Andriod system with a screen and sound that is worth then the new one? The Eclipse is worth not having a electric cinematic curtain or have glass in front the tv.  
It is still cheaper then other Beovisions from the past. 

Damn the Eclipse gets a lot of hate! 
1, It's the best Beovision on the market.
2, No one is forcing you to buy an Eclipse. If you want and old Avant for the looks and geeky tech stuff, go with that one.
If you like an elegant piece in your living room buy BV14 (and buy it fast). Or, if you want the best sound and picture quality of them all, go for Eclipse.

//EA

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Fully agree. 

ErikVonAgnar:

The sound from the Eclipse is better then the Avant 55", so it should be priced a bit more. 
The picture is far better on the Eclipse then the Avant 55", so it should be priced more. 
The WebOS on the LG screen is far better and smother to operate so it should also be worth something. 

If I go and buy a new TV from Beo that I want to stick with me for some time. I will not go for an old Avant NG with a buggy Andriod system with a screen and sound that is worth then the new one? The Eclipse is worth not having a electric cinematic curtain or have glass in front the tv.  
It is still cheaper then other Beovisions from the past. 

Damn the Eclipse gets a lot of hate! 
1, It's the best Beovision on the market.
2, No one is forcing you to buy an Eclipse. If you want and old Avant for the looks and geeky tech stuff, go with that one.
If you like an elegant piece in your living room buy BV14 (and buy it fast). Or, if you want the best sound and picture quality of them all, go for Eclipse.

//EA

 

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BenSA replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 7:01 AM

ErikVonAgnar:

The sound from the Eclipse is better then the Avant 55", so it should be priced a bit more. 
The picture is far better on the Eclipse then the Avant 55", so it should be priced more. 
The WebOS on the LG screen is far better and smother to operate so it should also be worth something. 

If I go and buy a new TV from Beo that I want to stick with me for some time. I will not go for an old Avant NG with a buggy Andriod system with a screen and sound that is worth then the new one? The Eclipse is worth not having a electric cinematic curtain or have glass in front the tv.  
It is still cheaper then other Beovisions from the past. 

Damn the Eclipse gets a lot of hate! 
1, It's the best Beovision on the market.
2, No one is forcing you to buy an Eclipse. If you want and old Avant for the looks and geeky tech stuff, go with that one.
If you like an elegant piece in your living room buy BV14 (and buy it fast). Or, if you want the best sound and picture quality of them all, go for Eclipse.

//EA

I agree also.....and for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents, working with aluminium. Anyway it seems its the same group of people bashing the Eclipse day in day out. No one minds criticism but its getting a bit ridiculous.

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Puncher replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 7:26 AM

ErikVonAgnar:
The picture is far better on the Eclipse then the Avant 55", so it should be priced more. 

But this is flawed logic - the picture of the C7 is not as good as the Sony or the Panasonic so following this logic should be less than either of those!

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Puncher replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 7:30 AM

BenSA:
for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

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Alen replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 7:31 AM

ErikVonAgnar:

(...)

Damn the Eclipse gets a lot of hate!

(...)

 

+1 Yes - thumbs up Erik

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BenSA replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 7:39 AM

Puncher:

BenSA:
for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

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Puncher replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 8:09 AM

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:
for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

Or, just maybe, the guy really does think that it now looks very "80's" and no longer current! Personally I don't care because I'm not considering buying it but I do care that people are able to state their opinion here without it being called "ludicrous" and being told they "shouldn't have anything to do with B&O" just because they don't feel the same way as you!

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BenSA replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 8:23 AM

Puncher:

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:
for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

Or, just maybe, the guy really does think that it now looks very "80's" and no longer current! Personally I don't care because I'm not considering buying it but I do care that people are able to state their opinion here without it being called "ludicrous" and being told they "shouldn't have anything to do with B&O" just because they don't feel the same way as you!

Whats "ludicrous" is people who have made their points quite clear which certainly they are allowed to do as this is a forum but constant ripping apart of the Eclipse is unwarranted. Every time someone mentions it there's a barrage of complaints from certain people.....people are allowed to like the Eclipse without being told how they wasting money and they shouldn't buy it...they should buy a Loewe instead. If you love Loewe go tell it on the Loewe forum this is a B&O forum. Its gone past just giving an opinion. That's my opinion and since you say one can give ones opinion, I am doing just that. 

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Puncher replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 8:31 AM

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:
for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

Or, just maybe, the guy really does think that it now looks very "80's" and no longer current! Personally I don't care because I'm not considering buying it but I do care that people are able to state their opinion here without it being called "ludicrous" and being told they "shouldn't have anything to do with B&O" just because they don't feel the same way as you!

Whats "ludicrous" is people who have made their points quite clear which certainly they are allowed to do as this is a forum but constant ripping apart of the Eclipse is unwarranted. Every time someone mentions it there's a barrage of complaints from certain people.....people are allowed to like the Eclipse without being told how they wasting money and they shouldn't buy it...they should buy a Loewe instead. If you love Loewe go tell it on the Loewe forum this is a B&O forum. Its gone past just giving an opinion. That's my opinion and since you say one can give ones opinion, I am doing just that. 

Let me get this straight - you can repeat yourself, but they can't, is that it?

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BeoGreg replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 8:36 AM

Speaking for me (of course), I don't think that saying the product is overpriced is bashing the product.

I've seen and heared the Eclipse and yes the sound is fantastic and the picture superb (at least with 4k content - haven't tried SD).

Two weeks ago we where (my wife and I) blown away by a documentary of the French Alps on Arte Channel or France 5 (HD quality) on our non Oled BV11 and I find the sound allready incredible.

Again, for 11.400 € a 55" Tv I was expecting some B&O standards like we are used to with B&O Tv's since ages (appart the Android bug that can't be an example) especially when we know they are outsourced (byebye Struer). And I don't feel it's the case with the "HDMI2" Eclipse (and I'm sad because I wanted a 55" set !).

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BenSA replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 8:36 AM

Puncher:

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:
for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

Or, just maybe, the guy really does think that it now looks very "80's" and no longer current! Personally I don't care because I'm not considering buying it but I do care that people are able to state their opinion here without it being called "ludicrous" and being told they "shouldn't have anything to do with B&O" just because they don't feel the same way as you!

Whats "ludicrous" is people who have made their points quite clear which certainly they are allowed to do as this is a forum but constant ripping apart of the Eclipse is unwarranted. Every time someone mentions it there's a barrage of complaints from certain people.....people are allowed to like the Eclipse without being told how they wasting money and they shouldn't buy it...they should buy a Loewe instead. If you love Loewe go tell it on the Loewe forum this is a B&O forum. Its gone past just giving an opinion. That's my opinion and since you say one can give ones opinion, I am doing just that. 

Let me get this straight - you can repeat yourself, but they can't, is that it?

I was just answering your question to me. I'll keep quiet now

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Well, Beo has done Brass now and not many have bought those because it is a fashion that is in right now. Aluminium is a safe bet in design. It will always looks good and be first choice for customers. And Beo has now been doing wood alternativs.

Aluminium is the best both for design and build quality. Smile

 

//EA 

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Puncher replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 8:58 AM

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:
for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

Or, just maybe, the guy really does think that it now looks very "80's" and no longer current! Personally I don't care because I'm not considering buying it but I do care that people are able to state their opinion here without it being called "ludicrous" and being told they "shouldn't have anything to do with B&O" just because they don't feel the same way as you!

Whats "ludicrous" is people who have made their points quite clear which certainly they are allowed to do as this is a forum but constant ripping apart of the Eclipse is unwarranted. Every time someone mentions it there's a barrage of complaints from certain people.....people are allowed to like the Eclipse without being told how they wasting money and they shouldn't buy it...they should buy a Loewe instead. If you love Loewe go tell it on the Loewe forum this is a B&O forum. Its gone past just giving an opinion. That's my opinion and since you say one can give ones opinion, I am doing just that. 

Let me get this straight - you can repeat yourself, but they can't, is that it?

I was just answering your question to me. I'll keep quiet now

No offence intended, my point is just that this is a public forum and a design can have as many people dislike it as those wanting to buy it. Both views are equally valid and over a long thread like this they will be invariably repeated over and over again. There is no right or wrong view, the only wrong thing is not being allowed an opinion. Everyone is free to read the thread and draw their own conclusions, after all it is only they that have to live with their decision. What is clear in this thread is that everyone's "red line" regarding what makes a TV a real "Beovision" is different - for some it is enough that it bears (or shares) the company name whereas for others, if the TV isn't engineered by B&O then it doesn't meet their requirement (and everything in between)!

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BenSA replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 9:13 AM

Puncher:

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:

Puncher:

BenSA:
for someone to say that aluminium is out dated, its just ludicrous, then you shouldn't have anything to do with B&O because that it is one of their talents,

Ridiculous! Working with veneers was also one of their talents but they don't do Rosewood cabinets anymore because fashions change. Just because I don't wan't a TV in a Rosewood cabinet doesn't mean I can't appreciate well designed B&O!

They still used veneer on the Moment and they do work in wood. If they don't use aluminium what are they supposed to use? Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

Or, just maybe, the guy really does think that it now looks very "80's" and no longer current! Personally I don't care because I'm not considering buying it but I do care that people are able to state their opinion here without it being called "ludicrous" and being told they "shouldn't have anything to do with B&O" just because they don't feel the same way as you!

Whats "ludicrous" is people who have made their points quite clear which certainly they are allowed to do as this is a forum but constant ripping apart of the Eclipse is unwarranted. Every time someone mentions it there's a barrage of complaints from certain people.....people are allowed to like the Eclipse without being told how they wasting money and they shouldn't buy it...they should buy a Loewe instead. If you love Loewe go tell it on the Loewe forum this is a B&O forum. Its gone past just giving an opinion. That's my opinion and since you say one can give ones opinion, I am doing just that. 

Let me get this straight - you can repeat yourself, but they can't, is that it?

I was just answering your question to me. I'll keep quiet now

No offence intended, my point is just that this is a public forum and a design can have as many people dislike it as those wanting to buy it. Both views are equally valid and over a long thread like this they will be invariably repeated over and over again. There is no right or wrong view, the only wrong thing is not being allowed an opinion. Everyone is free to read the thread and draw their own conclusions, after all it is only they that have to live with their decision. What is clear in this thread is that everyone's "red line" regarding what makes a TV a real "Beovision" is different - for some it is enough that it bears (or shares) the company name whereas for others, if the TV isn't engineered by B&O then it doesn't meet their requirement (and everything in between)!

I am not offended at all, you contribute a lot to this site which is more important than being offended. Never know when I might need your help on something :) The reviews or previews of the Eclipse have been really good, B&O would have never been able to produce an OLED to this standard without LG. Plenty companies partner up, the new Mercedes X-Class is based on a Nissan Navara....development costs are too high.

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Michael replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 9:28 AM

This is getting ridiculous. People like different things and for me BeoVisions have gotten my attention the last years because of the innovations and uniqueness they have had. Contrast screen, minimal - elegant interface and handling, integration with peripherals and home systems, great sound and a/v integration and so on. A very prestigeous effort. 

The Eclipse does not have these things. It completely lacks the B&O innovations for video and user experience. It is, truly, just an LG TV with a crippled LG webOs experience since it does not even come with a gyro mouse that the OS was designed for. 

It has a great speaker bar - apparently the best in the world (facts please). My Avant 55" has a great speaker system too - it almost sounds better than my Beolab 9s and my friends are amazed when I trick them and then tell them just the TV is playing. But - exctept for those times I use the speaker in my TV as a center channel and that is not very hard for my TV to do with a lot of power still to give. 

The Eclipse does not feature the B&O interface, neither in graphical design or user design. It does not have a color temperature sensor - so it can not adjust to your room. It does not integrate with beolink or beolink gateway. 

It does not give you the prestigeous theatrical and elegance that the many other BeoVisions do. It really does not. It just does not. 

What it do have is a great display, just like any LG B7 that you can pick up at any electronics store. 
It does have a speakerbar with great sound - but no movement. 

It has a CNC-machined beautiful casing for the speakerbar. It has a cheaper casing on the TV back - some other aluminium that does not even match. It has plastic edges and no contrast screen - so it is flimsy as well. The only glass is below the speaker - to give an impression that the TV is a sheet of glass. B&O didn't do that. 

So I don't know what to say. Am I bashing it? No. I am just disappointed. The "B&O" IN the TV is gone. It is half-half there outside but not inside. It's an LG TV experience with a speaker bar but in a nicer looking package. That does not do it for me.

I also realize that there are many other manufactures that do use OLED from LG. Loewe for example - that made a Avant-looking OLED TV with a beautiful interface. They could and they aren't even B&O. Sony and others also make beautiful OLED TV's with their own interfaces - better video too some argue.

 I am sure B&O can adress these issues and make a better TV. I look forward to the process and the innovations in both OLED and user interfaces and how they will work. 

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Ingo replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 11:52 AM

Today I compared the Eclipse with the Loewe bild 5.

The direct comparison with the picture quality speaks for the Loewe OLED.

The sound quality is better with the Eclipse, but the Loewe OLED is completely adequate.

I would go today for the Loewe OLED, if I need a new one.

 

Just my 2 cents

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Martin replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 2:36 PM

Hi Michael,

I have to correct you on some things you mention in this thread. The Eclipse DOES have a antireflex-coated screen. I have yesterday got this information from Beocare. I also got the information that the Eclipse can connect to Beolink NL/ML-converter (with "Join" and "expand") and that You can connect a masterlink-audio product (or a Beolab 3500 in a linkroom) to the converter. Regarding the lack of support for Beolink Gateway, beocare says that this is on its way a little bit later.

So I see it this way: The only things that lacks in the Eclipse is the electronic curtains and a really bad and ugly GUI. Everthing else is as every other Beovision - very good (both sound quality and video-quality and the rest of the functionality).

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KMA replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 3:13 PM

Martin:

I have to correct you on some things you mention in this thread. The Eclipse DOES have a antireflex-coated screen.

I have to correct this information:

Yes, the Eclipse has antireflex-coated screen – the exact same coating as the LG B7/C7 has. There’s nothing proprietary to B&O about the screen. (It is not in any way the same as the antireflex coated glass used in BV11, BV14 or Avant.)

Over B7/C7, there is no premium quality about the Eclipse’s screen, so the coating is already included in the price of an LG B7/C7.

 

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BenSA replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 3:17 PM

KMA:

Martin:

I have to correct you on some things you mention in this thread. The Eclipse DOES have a antireflex-coated screen.

I have to correct this information:

Yes, the Eclipse has antireflex-coated screen – the exact same coating as the LG B7/C7 has. There’s nothing proprietary to B&O about the screen. (It is not in any way the same as the antireflex coated glass used in BV11, BV14 or Avant.)

Over B7/C7, there is no premium quality about the Eclipse’s screen, so the coating is already included in the price of an LG B7/C7.

 

If the TV already comes manufactured with a coating there is not much B&O can do about that. Probably LG were very strict about which components were to be used on the screen for warranty purposes. B&O can hardly remove the coating? Perhaps B&O has found the coating provided by LG to be very good. 

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boskonay replied on Wed, Sep 27 2017 3:19 PM

By all accounts the picture / video is superb,,,

 

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