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davieav
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davieav posted on Thu, Jul 20 2017 8:39 AM

anyone else spot the diagram on peter pans messaging pages ? Smile

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But do we have more information about the Beosound Core?

I cannot seem to find a manuel.

In the new pricelist it have taken over Essense MKII which now must be AOL.

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it would be easier if every beolab 5 owners were ready to sell their speaker for buying the beolab 50.

the beolab 5 are so iconic and are still excellent speakers.

I am personnally glad to see there is now in the bang olufsen portfolio something I can desire and would improve significantly my set up (without having my wife on my back)

 

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What kind of preamp would you use to drive 4x BL5?

What I would like to know is if all this BL50 magic isn't 90% due to the room compensation feature.

If you run 4x BL5 from a Beosystem 4 you will have sound spread all over your room, in all directions as they are very wide. If you run the same setup from a preamp with Dirac Live, for example, the sound will be much more detailed.

I've tried this configuration in my 7.0 setup (1x BL10 4x BL5 and 2x BL8000) and the improvement was very impressive. Still I'd like to hear a pair of BL50 for comparinson.

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davidr:

Mr 10Percent:
 and despite what people may say, adding sound deadening panels to the room is not what B&O is about. If you want to do that, buy a £250 monkey-coffin and pretend it’s the same.

I never said that.

Never suggested you did. The ethos and concept of the BL90 was to try and do away with that. The ethos of the BL5 and BL90 and probably the BL50 was also to introduce DSP processing to mitigate passive resistance between the loudspeaker and listener in terms of whatever is in the room to equalise either a specific tonal balance or an average one.

To many, it may feel that slapping some egg-crate foam  on a wall "does the same thing" but that is very disingenuous to those at B&O who work on these problems when virtually no one else in the industry does and who tend to favour snake oil instead. 

Criticise B&O's TV's, their music boxes, their software, or their prices. I for one believe they are on top of the game when it comes to loudspeakers and even amplification for that matter. From BL20 up, there's not much out there that would entice me away.

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Sal replied on Fri, Aug 4 2017 7:12 PM

Mr 10Percent:
Criticise B&O's TV's, their music boxes, their software, or their prices. I for one believe they are on top of the game when it comes to loudspeakers and even amplification for that matter. From BL20 up, there's not much out there that would entice me away.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. One area where B&O have had an unwavering focus on performance and pretty damn good success at it is in the loudspeaker department. Save for some quality control issues (i.e. some poor experiences with BL20's misbehaving as has been covered in other threads), B&O has been pretty stellar in the loudspeakers they've released. But then again, I'm a B&O owner and I'm commenting on a B&O forum, so my opinion is inherently biased. LOL

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Duels replied on Fri, Aug 4 2017 7:28 PM
Sal:

I agree with this wholeheartedly. One area where B&O have had an unwavering focus on performance and pretty damn good success at it is in the loudspeaker department. Save for some quality control issues (i.e. some poor experiences with BL20's misbehaving as has been covered in other threads), B&O has been pretty stellar in the loudspeakers they've released. But then again, I'm a B&O owner and I'm commenting on a B&O forum, so my opinion is inherently biased. LOL

Loudspeaker sales are only 13% of B&Os business (apologies, I know I've mentioned it on other threads). So whilst I agree they are very very good, they are hardly the success story they are sometimes thought to be from a sales point of view.
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Sal replied on Fri, Aug 4 2017 8:26 PM

Duels:
Sal:

 

I agree with this wholeheartedly. One area where B&O have had an unwavering focus on performance and pretty damn good success at it is in the loudspeaker department. Save for some quality control issues (i.e. some poor experiences with BL20's misbehaving as has been covered in other threads), B&O has been pretty stellar in the loudspeakers they've released. But then again, I'm a B&O owner and I'm commenting on a B&O forum, so my opinion is inherently biased. LOL

 

 

Loudspeaker sales are only 13% of B&Os business (apologies, I know I've mentioned it on other threads). So whilst I agree they are very very good, they are hardly the success story they are sometimes thought to be from a sales point of view.

 

As you've aptly pointed out the dichotomy... I was referring to the quality and performance of the products they have produced, doesn't correlate to sales.

 

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And here we are again. No one here really doubts B&O's audio capabilities. I would need little convincing that the speakers are the best at the price point. My worry is that B&O marketing have foreseen significant sales of £20K+ speakers or else they're off target (again). 

I have to say that at this stage I'm dubious.

 

I will say again, turn this engineering expertise to something with genuine sales potential - I forget who it is here who keeps banging on about a good old, conventional TV soundbar! Make it B&O, support it and the latest sound standards, make it pretty but techy and keep the price just within reach of the typical WhatTV type readers / TV enthusiasts and watch them fly!

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Puncher:

And here we are again. No one here really doubts B&O's audio capabilities. I would need little convincing that the speakers are the best at the price point. My worry is that B&O marketing have foreseen significant sales of £20K+ speakers or else they're off target (again). 

I have to say that at this stage I'm dubious.

I have often said that the BL5 never sold well. Probably a few thousand?? I don't know if that was because they were B&O, the price point, or the Audiofiles just turned their noses up?? However, the question is very valid as to whether a £25k loudspeaker will sell when a £15k one didn't do that much. Unless there is a BL30 in the pipeline, I would have put the BL50 in the BL20 to BL5 segment. £25k is a chunk of change and a very serious segment. Cant be that many Buyers in that range who will give them a look-in in preference to the classical 'file brigade?

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Does anyone have been out and listen to BL50. ?  For that we would like your opinion.



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We need a BL5 vs BL50 vs BL90 shootout!
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They sound and look amazing. Wait and see folks

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So here's the thing - Beolab 5 was sort of "Hello" to the world to the acoustic lens and what in can do in a peerless, futuristic design with mind blowing performance for what was a tasty price at the time. The Beolab 3 was a revelation in a package smaller than a conventional bookshelf speaker, was, pricewise, a competitor to the BL 8000 but could almost "disappear" in a normal room décor.  The Beolab 9 added a midrange design with bass to burn but including the upper-range clarity of the acoustic lens designs.

Then Wisa arrived and it went wrong slightly when marketing dictated the design of the BL18 (i.e. BL8000's are our best ever sellers, acoustic lens are very popular, and people are calling for a return to wood -  why don't we stick a lens on the top and add wood instead of cloth fret covers). The BL20 was an uncalled for styling update and was worse than the BL9!

Several years later the BL90 arrives which shows what is acoustically possible when money is no object, a fantastic technical achievement despite looking like the sorting hat from Harry Potter.

Then we wait with baited breath for the BL50 - it arrives at a price point of £20K+ with a look which says " marketing told us it couldn't be square, must have aluminium, wood and lamellas". Again it has stunning performance but whereas the flagship uses speaker arrays for beam steering this, £20K+ speaker uses a mechanical lens to achieve something that must then be, by definition, less than optimum. I don't understand it, what its for and why I should want it. Yes people will pay this much for a speaker but in this rarefied market the moving lens looks awfully like a marketing gimmick, as is the whole "party mode" thing - whoever went to a party and either noticed, worried about or commented upon the stereo separation of the background music!

 

I fear that they are destroying their credibility in the small distributed speaker market with the Play brand (where the next battle is being fought between Apple, Amazon and Google) and where a well designed, well thought out B&O BL3-like variant could mop up while diverting their considerable technical resources on projects that may tickle their egos but won't tickle their bank managers!

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Jeff replied on Sat, Aug 5 2017 9:52 PM

Ah, the "art" of marketing. If half the people say they want a small  speaker, and half want a big one, produce a mid sized one no one wants and then act shocked that no one buys it. It's Marketing!

Jeff

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I'm glad they brought out the bl20 vs the 9. It's a marked improvement: marketing or not.

Can't wait to see the BL50
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9 LEE replied on Sun, Aug 6 2017 11:28 AM

Jeff:

Ah, the "art" of marketing. If half the people say they want a small  speaker, and half want a big one, produce a mid sized one no one wants and then act shocked that no one buys it. It's Marketing!

Wise words.

Or, you could do what the big corporations do today.  Produce something you want to produce (as it'll make you a shed load of cash) then spend your budget brainwashing the people into thinking they need it...

As a brand, 'Supreme' have nailed it.  

Commes Des Garcons Plain White T-Shirt : £66.  

Commes Des Garcons Plain White T-Shirt with the 'Supreme' logo on the front : £350.

Unfortunately, the buying public seem to be getting more stupid by the year when it comes to being brand-brainwashed...

Check out these SOLD (actually sold, at these prices) trainers HERE

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Hiort replied on Sun, Aug 6 2017 12:23 PM
Spent an hour listening to the BL50s today. They where just "out of the box", so no tuning/tweaking or anything. Wireless connection to an Avant.

They sounded awesome!!!

Detailed. Midrange was to die for.

Nice bass with no sloppiness.

Had the same feeling I got when listening to the BL90s.

LovelySmile

 

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Hiort:
Spent an hour listening to the BL50s today. They where just "out of the box", so no tuning/tweaking or anything. Wireless connection to an Avant.

 

They sounded awesome!!!

 

Detailed. Midrange was to die for.

 

Nice bass with no sloppiness.

 

Had the same feeling I got when listening to the BL90s.

 

 

LovelySmile

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