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davieav
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davieav posted on Thu, Jul 20 2017 8:39 AM

anyone else spot the diagram on peter pans messaging pages ? Smile

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But do we have more information about the Beosound Core?

I cannot seem to find a manuel.

In the new pricelist it have taken over Essense MKII which now must be AOL.

Beolab 20, Beolab 17, Transmitter 1

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it would be easier if every beolab 5 owners were ready to sell their speaker for buying the beolab 50.

the beolab 5 are so iconic and are still excellent speakers.

I am personnally glad to see there is now in the bang olufsen portfolio something I can desire and would improve significantly my set up (without having my wife on my back)

 

beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 3, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000, beolab 3500, IWS 2000, beovision 7 55 mk2,  beotime, beogram 7000 white mmc2, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...

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What kind of preamp would you use to drive 4x BL5?

What I would like to know is if all this BL50 magic isn't 90% due to the room compensation feature.

If you run 4x BL5 from a Beosystem 4 you will have sound spread all over your room, in all directions as they are very wide. If you run the same setup from a preamp with Dirac Live, for example, the sound will be much more detailed.

I've tried this configuration in my 7.0 setup (1x BL10 4x BL5 and 2x BL8000) and the improvement was very impressive. Still I'd like to hear a pair of BL50 for comparinson.

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Jeff:

 I can't think of a single speaker now that I like the looks of as well or better than its predecessor, sadly.

Same.

I was going to refrain from getting into this until their official unveiling however, seeing as it is a done deal with official video and so on - well it is real.

Pretty much as I would have thought of the 'new' b&o, uninspired design coupled with being very costly. Seems they've let too much of the audio engineering and not much though into the design and overall product portfolio. Does b&o have a real music system? Nope just the Moment.

As an aside, its biggest selling point I guess over the BL5 is the improved ARC. However still I don't understand why for me as attempting to correct for standing waves and reflections using notice filters and negative phase is a futile effort. Move out of 'position' and all that effort didn't actually solve the original issue. Acoustics are best solved directly with acoustic treatment. Wall reflections at higher freq are not possible to 'solve' using any method at the source. Better to spend 1k$ on acoustic panels than 25k$ on speakers.

Anyway I always liked b&o because they didn't offer the usual big boxes, now it seems they are! It is quite the achievement to create a speaker that has striking design along with decent performance. Granted something like BL8000 are real compromise in terms of performance though, that didn't stop them from popularity due probably to the design. BL5 was a true masterpiece in that they managed to cram four drivers (and a 15" woofer at that) all in a minimum of enclosure - that didn't look like everyone else.

Zero interest sorry.No - thumbs down

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davidr wrote:

As an aside, its biggest selling point I guess over the BL5 is the improved ARC. However still I don't understand why for me as attempting to correct for standing waves and reflections using notice filters and negative phase is a futile effort. Move out of 'position' and all that effort didn't actually solve the original issue. Acoustics are best solved directly with acoustic treatment. Wall reflections at higher freq are not possible to 'solve' using any method at the source. Better to spend 1k$ on acoustic panels than 25k$ on speakers.

 

Exactly. BL50 is no doubt a far more advanced active speaker than the BL5, but if you cant get HighEnd quality sound from the the BL5s you should have a look at 1) source 2) your listening room 3) your ears. 

As for the looks to each his own. Id take BL5 anytime. 

 

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I think I have a problem with the mix of black fabric with the wood. I would have preferred to have the wooden lamellas to each sides.

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Hiort replied on Fri, Aug 4 2017 8:00 AM

davidr:

Anyway I always liked b&o because they didn't offer the usual big boxes, now it seems they are! It is quite the achievement to create a speaker that has striking design along with decent performance. Granted something like BL8000 are real compromise in terms of performance though, that didn't stop them from popularity due probably to the design. BL5 was a true masterpiece in that they managed to cram four drivers (and a 15" woofer at that) all in a minimum of enclosure - that didn't look like everyone else.

Zero interest sorry.No - thumbs down

I think that eventual "striking design" opportunities was hampered by the fact that the way they wanted this speaker to work (like the BL90). The number of speakers and the way they had to angle in relation to each other was fixed I guess.

However, I have seen them in the flesh and they look very luxurious with the aluminium trims. The wood lamellas add a nice touch in my mind, and "soften" the appearance. But they are really big boys compared to BL5s.

 

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BenSA replied on Fri, Aug 4 2017 8:23 AM

I think they are quite nice, definitely different to anything else out there plus I'm sure they sound impressive which is quite important!! I think they will do very well. Thumbs up from me!

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davidr:

As an aside, its biggest selling point I guess over the BL5 is the improved ARC. However still I don't understand why for me as attempting to correct for standing waves and reflections using notice filters and negative phase is a futile effort. Move out of 'position' and all that effort didn't actually solve the original issue. Acoustics are best solved directly with acoustic treatment. Wall reflections at higher freq are not possible to 'solve' using any method at the source. Better to spend 1k$ on acoustic panels than 25k$ on speakers.

^^ This ^^ 

 

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Chris Townsend:

The sweetest thing would be for the audiophile to swallow their prejudices, and admit they are brilliant, which I'm sure they areYes - thumbs up

Not that they are all 'audiophiles' there, but the 'news' has already made its way to the Steve Hoffmann forum

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/bang-olufsen-beolab-50.687893/

Of course the video is now locked there too.

Apart from the fact that the poster confuses 'Beam With Control' with 'Beam Direction Control' I see this as a sign that not only 'insiders' are aware of the skills of B&O. 

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benoit:

I think I have a problem with the mix of black fabric with the wood. I would have preferred to have the wooden lamellas to each sides.

What if you could get the fabric in another/or more colour/s - for all three sides.

Or different woods - maybe on all three sides.

The bold ones amongst the owners might even combine different woods and or different fabrics on that speaker (not that I would!)

But how about having fabric at the rear sides and wood on the front ;-)

We'll see what (maybe) comes!

MM

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You certainly don't need one!!

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As in a Lab 2....🙂

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9 LEE replied on Fri, Aug 4 2017 11:05 AM

You certainly won't need a Lab 2, unless it's to hold the door open or something...

Remember I said, right from the start, this isn't a speaker you'd expect - but in the flesh it's elegant, beautifully put together, and sounds incredible.

I think B&O are realising that females have a bigger input into speaker purchases than previously thought, too.  I've lost count of the amount of sales I've made of BL5's - only to have the purchase scuppered by "I'm not having THOSE in my lounge!!"

Make something which isn't too in-your-face, something that will look stylish yet clearly "B&O" in any surrounding and you're onto a winner!

You must listen to them, though..  even if you don't like how they look.

Lee

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9 LEE:

You certainly won't need a Lab 2, unless it's to hold the door open or something...

Remember I said, right from the start, this isn't a speaker you'd expect - but in the flesh it's elegant, beautifully put together, and sounds incredible.

I think B&O are realising that females have a bigger input into speaker purchases than previously thought, too.  I've lost count of the amount of sales I've made of BL5's - only to have the purchase scuppered by "I'm not having THOSE in my lounge!!"

Make something which isn't too in-your-face, something that will look stylish yet clearly "B&O" in any surrounding and you're onto a winner!

You must listen to them, though..  even if you don't like how they look.

Lee

If you don't like the way they look why did you marry her?

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I think the form is rather nice.  

I would also hazard a guess from the videos that there appear to be approx. 4800w per unit of ICE by my estimate on the BL90 configuration.

 

Guess would be;

3 x 212mm Scan-Speak Woofer/SubWoof (1 fwd, 2 to side/rear),

5 x 86mm Mid-Range (3 Fwd, 2 to side/rear) and a

1 x 30mm Tweet (ALT).

 

Powerful stuff and probably exceptionally well-tuned.

 

The ARC is very subtle on the 90’s and the best way I can describe it is that rapid switching from Omni (no Omni I think in the BL50), to wide to narrow is a progressive increase in “clarity” of the musical tones as well as the spacial definition. I am sure that the BL50 does this similarly and despite what people may say, adding sound deadening panels to the room is not what B&O is about. If you want to do that, buy a £250 monkey-coffin and pretend it’s the same.

 

We will soon find out but ahead of the release I would say that B&O have:-

  1. Released a more WAF-centric speaker over the 90’s.

  2. Significant well-tuned power amplification and DSP (2500w/ch on BL5 with my estimate of 4800w/ch on the 50’s)

  3. An innovative solution to improve speaker to listener sound quality with a finely crafted cabinet in well presented listening situation without the need to go all “audiofile” on the panels, cables and amps.

  4. Bit of a concern on the serviceability of the fret, side panels and particularly rear panels. The fasteners on the BL90 floor panels is not the best, but the wooden triangles look infinitely stiffer than that of the BL50.

  5. I’ve always had a concern about the volume of sales of a £15k BL5. Not sure what a £25k BL50 will do to the bottom line. Told there is virtually no margin on a BL90 so they aint going to replace BeoPlay as a source of most revenue.

Good luck I say – and that’s without really seeing the released product.

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marexy replied on Fri, Aug 4 2017 12:23 PM

I agree with 9Lee

If the speakers are in common areas and if a woman says that she does not like them, there is 99% chance for deal to go wrong.

It's the same with cars!

Forgive my questions .. Why do you need 4500W power .. why .. hallo? If I compare BL3 and BL4000 the difference in watts is x times. and sound at BL3 isn't any better. If I compare BL 8000 and BL 8002 the difference is minimal. Personally, I find it unbearable to use so many amplifiers, and complicated electronics. Maybe they want to stand out and justify a high price.

Not to be mistaken .. I'm BEOfil!

The design is nice but not revolutionary.
Nothing special..sorry.
BL 8000 ..jap..special desind when came out to market.
Bl12.3  jep..nice ...but sound ..nothing special.

I will evaluate the sound of BL50 when I hear them and have to be perfect for this money.
iI's one middle clas car price!
If any of you know storry of LAMPIZATOR ...if not read it ..hi start with few € and beeing critical to big and expencive companies..
And now ..he sell items with alu box design ( DAC , amplifiers ..ect ) for 15.000 €..hellooo.
Okay, I just got out of the topic.
But if we compare these two products, the BL50 price is justified.


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Mr 10Percent:
 and despite what people may say, adding sound deadening panels to the room is not what B&O is about. If you want to do that, buy a £250 monkey-coffin and pretend it’s the same.

I never said that.

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