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9 LEE Posted: Tue, Jul 11 2017 8:14 PM

Now, for the record - I love B&O.  I will always love B&O - I have the virus, and it's incurable. For me, at least.. 

However, I'm interested to see which other AV brands a 'dyed-in-the wool B&O enthusiast' like a BeoWorlder would allow in his or her home as a credible alternative.  My interest was piqued after asking about upgrades on a previous thread - and numerous brands were mentioned.

I have four more AV brands in my home (which has some form of B&O in every room) - and I won't tell you what they are - yet...  But, I'm interested to see what yours are first...

Over to you! What do you have - and if you don't already have it, what would you have.. Smile

 

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beojeff replied on Tue, Jul 11 2017 8:28 PM

Apple. Like B&O, Apple products from across the years still share similar design elements that make them look natural together.The technology is solid and reliable. Even their packaging is extremely similar to that of B&O -- elegant and without clutter. One might argue that Apple is not really an "AV brand," but with the new speaker and the Apple TV, I feel that it's close enough.

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Revox M100

https://www.revox.com/en/audio-systems/m100.html

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9 LEE replied on Tue, Jul 11 2017 8:45 PM

seethroughyou:
Revox M100

https://www.revox.com/en/audio-systems/m100.html

Stunning!  Do you have this already?

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The only thing, that I would mention, is my Squeezebox Touch (and the LMS server running on my NAS).

Years ago I used to have more Squeezebox'es connected to my B&O gear around the house for multiroom.

Nowaday I have only one (the Touch), which is connected to the line-in of my Essence - and therefore accessable from my entire multiroom setup.

This, however is just audio - and I consider it an add-on to my B&O setup.

OK - then there is the AppleTV's/iPad's and my BRPlayers - but again just an add-on to my setup.

Speaking of A/V brands (meaning something that combines both), I haven't been able to find anything, that from an overall view, can match my B&O setup.

Sure you can find this or that A or V devices that performs better. But speaking of the entire experience/the entire A/V etc experience, I am pretty sure, that there is nothing out there.

MM

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jans replied on Tue, Jul 11 2017 8:58 PM
I would be tempted by Naim NAC N-272 streamer/pre-amp or Linn Akurate DSM.

They would be easy to connect to Beolabs, also have multi-room capabilities, and the Linn even has several HDMI connections so I could connect my STB and a Tv.

However I would miss the single remote and I have no clue how my Lab9's would sound when driven by Naim or Linn. Big Smile
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Duels replied on Tue, Jul 11 2017 9:03 PM
I have Loewe Individual tv that I have been very happy with. I would consider another one when it is time to change. I would love a BV but the Loewe is more affordable.
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CB replied on Tue, Jul 11 2017 9:07 PM

9 LEE:
What do you have

Philips Screeneo projector.

HD ready (only, but sufficient for me), ultra short focal, good sound, great image, unobstrusive, Android machine...

This is one of the few things that I rejoice to have, every day.

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I use these at work. They are David Clarke One X headphones. It's the same company that makes NASAs spacesuits.

http://www.flytheone.com/index.php

The cool thing about them is that I can stream music from my phone to my headphones, and when ATC or the bod next to me talks, a tiny little DJ inside turns the music down. Makes hours sat over the Atlantic literally flyby.

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Peter replied on Tue, Jul 11 2017 10:06 PM

Amazon Echo - I use a few of these and also have the Dots attached to various B&O. Operation by voice is simply superior to everything else and I will give up some quality to be able to get what I want when I want it. It is gradually replacing my MCL/ML system. How one is supposed to navigate music collections easily these days is beyond me - I either need glasses or a computer which means picking something up. I have a voice with me all the time.

Peter

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Kromer replied on Tue, Jul 11 2017 10:56 PM

I wouldn't mind having a pair of B&W 801 s80, they look great and sound fantastic.

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9 LEE:

Now, for the record - I love B&O.  I will always love B&O - I have the virus, and it's incurable. For me, at least.. 

However, I'm interested to see which other AV brands a 'dyed-in-the wool B&O enthusiast' like a BeoWorlder would allow in his or her home as a credible alternative.  My interest was piqued after asking about upgrades on a previous thread - and numerous brands were mentioned.

Are you asking for 'other A brands' and/or ''other V brands' as an alternative?

Or are you - as stated - actually asking for 'other AV brands' - such as B&O is one?

MM

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egges replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 12:03 AM

my Marshall Kilburn with the mac mini makes me smile

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Sal replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 12:04 AM

Not an alternative, because B&O don't produce any at the moment, but Pro-Ject Turntables, great design, quality, and performance, even their low-end stuff is solid in terms of credibility when it comes to turntables. I can't speak for their non-turntable products.

From a build quality perspective, Wadia makes some truly robust components. I helped a friend move his A/V system and he had a few Wadia components and they're built like tanks, and apparently according to him, last forever. The company has amazing customer service as well.

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BenSA replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 7:56 AM

I only have B&O, haven't been able to move to another brand. I am still buying 2nd B&O bargains for which I have no use for. Just bought a Beosound 3000 and Beolab 6000 speakers for R5000.00 which is about 312 pounds.....Where it will go....who knows. I just don't get that special feeling from other AV brands nor do they get the wow from visitors. My BV11 is still a head turner. 

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elephant replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 12:57 PM
Very interesting question Lee.

Made me realise that fundamentally I am happy with B&O

Even after ogling 65" OLED TVs this afternoon Stick out tongue

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Puncher replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 1:06 PM

Biggest hit of the year in our house has to be the Google Home in the kitchen! Mrs Punch is a real technophobe but uses it just about every day. The audio quality isn't hifi standard but it's more than good enough while cooking etc. 80's 5000 system next door in the lounge, complete with chromecast audio (and so access to same library) very, very rarely even gets turned on.

On a sidenote, I am sick to death of hearing celine dion whenever I return home as Mrs P. is rehearsing her setlist before birmingham gig!

Ban boring signatures!

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smuehli replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 1:41 PM

And they have a CD-Player! (For all of those which are saying that the CD is dead . . . )

We had changed from B6O (Avant 32 VCR, Beocenter 9000, B&W Concept 90 Speakers) to Loewe Individual with the Loewe Subwoofer. The B&W was the Front, the Loewe Colums where the back speakers. A separate Centerspeaker is wall-mounted under the TV.

The sound was not bad, but I was more often to don't listen to music, because you had to switch on the TV, then change FM-Station or CD via the TV and the sound was not as good as the B&O! It was very far away from B&O . . .. 

So, the times changed, I started with a user Century and this sound - Wow - that's what I've missed over several years . . .

Now a Beosound 9000, 2 Beolab 8000 as front a Penta 3 as back speakers - thats it! 

Multiroom is where I place my Century or my Beolit 15 ;-)

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BeoGreg replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 2:03 PM
Like said in the other thread, the alternative of the Eclipse will be Loewe ( but still have to workout how to control a tv box and how to glue it on the back of the Oled with motorised stand).

Luckily, for music, the alternative of Bang & Olufsen is Beoplay !
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Jeff replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 2:14 PM

Good subject for a thread Lee. I don't use B&O for video or video sound, but do for audio and a couple of ML linked rooms. I really can't think of any other brand that compares. While there are lots of decent sounding manufacturers of gear who make reliable and well built products (always had a thing for McIntosh), there is no one who makes comparable gear when you factor in aesthetics. There's more or less cool looking, but not the modernist/minimalist design oriented products such as Beo makes, anywhere. A few stylish speakers out there but not active ones.

It's sad, because there is just no company to step into the gap if B&O fails, and even for them, IMO, their latest stuff is deficient in design/style compared to the David Lewis gear.

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olvisab replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 2:19 PM

I usually trust sony for products not produced by beo.

I chose the excellent fullhd beamer hw 40 es and for quiet evenings the fantastic surround system mdr hw 700 (bought in japan).

For little rooms and liitle screens, lg or sony is quite enough.

 

 

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linder replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 4:32 PM

I am going to buy the Oppo 4K UDP 205 Blu-ray player.  https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-205/

Also I currently have a Rega turntable connected to the AUX on a Beocenter 2.

 

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linder:

I am going to buy the Oppo 4K UDP 205 Blu-ray player.  https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-205/

Out of curiosity - why the 205?

How will you have it connected?

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beowild replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 5:10 PM

Sony: Small 32' TV in the bedroom

Canton: Small Speakers (CD10) in bedroom and kitchen

Motu: Multichannel audio in the home office

Apple: ipad mini with beomusic

In general components not available from b&o

 

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9 LEE replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 5:26 PM

linder:

I am going to buy the Oppo 4K UDP 205 Blu-ray player.  https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-205/

I have the 203, and it's fantastic!

There.. that's one of my 'other brands'. Oppo. Smile

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linder replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 6:28 PM

 

Millemissen:

linder:

I am going to buy the Oppo 4K UDP 205 Blu-ray player.  https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-205/

Out of curiosity - why the 205?

How will you have it connected?

MM

Hi MM,

I am anticipating I will like the new B&O/LG TV.  I plan on using the TV as my media hub not only for video but my music system also.  I will connect an ethernet cable to my home network, a USB connection to my MacPro, and of course HDMI. I might also connect HDMI audio but I am not exactly sure how it would work on the new TV.   I have already ordered a pair of Beolab 17s in black that will take 8 weeks to cross the Atlantic.  Maybe I am being too optimistic but I already have an earlier Oppo Blu-ray player.  I am really impressed with the brand.  I am hoping that I can use an ML/NL adapter for the Beocenter 2.  Any ideas that might help?

 

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Daniel replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 7:39 PM

Only B&O in my house.

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Daniel replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 7:44 PM

Daniel:

Only B&O in my house.

Almost, I've got a Panasonic 4k blu-ray player. Was about to get an Oppo, but as we most of the times are streaming music skipped it.

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graemeben replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 9:21 PM

All B&O except Samsung 55" curved 4K tv. Lovely picture but poor inbuilt speaker  sound so got it connected to a BS3000 with MCL2P driving S80's. Apple tv3 and Samsung Bluray(which I never hardly use), all controlled by lintronic with Beo4.

Couldnt stretch the finances to a 55" avant but at least got B&O sound and Beo4 control.

Remaining  music systems all B&O.

Graeme.

 

 

 

 

 

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YannChris replied on Wed, Jul 12 2017 9:41 PM

Hi Lee,

I don't understand...

...there are other brands?

Big SmileBig SmileBig Smile

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linder:

 

Millemissen:

linder:

I am going to buy the Oppo 4K UDP 205 Blu-ray player.  https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-205/

Out of curiosity - why the 205?

How will you have it connected?

MM

Hi MM,

I am anticipating I will like the new B&O/LG TV.  I plan on using the TV as my media hub not only for video but my music system also.  I will connect an ethernet cable to my home network, a USB connection to my MacPro, and of course HDMI. I might also connect HDMI audio but I am not exactly sure how it would work on the new TV.   I have already ordered a pair of Beolab 17s in black that will take 8 weeks to cross the Atlantic.  Maybe I am being too optimistic but I already have an earlier Oppo Blu-ray player.  I am really impressed with the brand.  I am hoping that I can use an ML/NL adapter for the Beocenter 2.  Any ideas that might help?

Just a couple of short thoughts, since this is kind of off-topic in this thread.

I suppose, that you are going to connect it to the 'new' tv directly via HDMI?

Since you have ordered the BL17s, these probably will be connected to the tv as well.

This means, that you will not benefit from almost all of the differences between the 203 and the 205.

 

The 205 has a dedicated analog output section for audio, which in that case won't be used....

....unless you plan to connect seperate speakers there in addition (2 channel/stereo and/or up to 7.1).

The 205 has a very good headphone amp - nice to have, if you need it (but is that worth the difference in price?).

The 205 costs a lot more, than the 203 - maybe going for the 203 and saving the money, would be a better solution.

You can get a NL/ML Converter for that money!

 

As you already know, the OPPO's are excellent machines.

But (especially the 205) have a lot of features, that you don't need, when they are connected to a BeoVision.

The audioengine in a modern BV can very well process the sound that comes along the HDMI with the picture of the BRDiscs and from all sources connected to the OPPO, when the speakers are connected to the tv.

 

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BeoGreg replied on Thu, Jul 13 2017 5:09 PM
For me, an alternative is when a similar product is available in several brands (ie. a tv or a Bluetooth speaker).

While B&O doesn't make any Bluray players I don't see Oppo as an alternative brand.

Loewe or Bose or Sonos, yes.

I was very pleased with my Bose soundlink mini I, I'm even more pleased with the A1.

It went the other way round, Beoplay was an alternative for Bose for me when the real portable speakers came out !
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TWG replied on Thu, Jul 13 2017 5:49 PM

I'm living in a very tolerant environment:  The B&O kids are playing peaceful with kids from Technics, Sony, Alesis, Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon, Roland, Akai, Cakewalk, Tannoy, JVC, Samson, TC electronic, Crestron, B&W, Tascam and LG. They often complement each other very well.

When it's getting cold in the winter they are allowed to play and happy with a T.A.C. tube amp and enjoy his warm glowing tubes.

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Jeff replied on Thu, Jul 13 2017 8:05 PM

I didn't list the things I have that aren't B&O in my video system:

Downstairs apartment:

Samsung 32 inch LCD set - Does alright for the  purpose despite having the usual LCD issues.

Main AV setup:

Panasonic VT65 series 65 inch plasma - exquisite picture

Marantz 5 channel AVR - performs fine, never calls attention to itself, just works, easy setup with included mic

Infinity LCR speaker bar - sounds fine

Infinity 12 inch powered sub - an outstanding performer, even has a built in one band parametric EQ

Old Radio Shack Minimus 7 speakers for rear channels - work fine, eventually to be replaced by BL6000s after I fix them.

I'm quite happy with this approach, it works well, was affordable, and has been very reliable.

Audio Only:

BS9000, Playmaker, BG3000, BL9s in main living room

BL8000s and BL2000 in two other rooms

Beolit 15 for carrying around, BeoPlay A3 for portable video and audio

 

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elephant replied on Sat, Jul 15 2017 6:42 AM
YannChris:

Hi Lee,

I don't understand...

...there are other brands?

Of course not Laughing

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PulseEight replied on Sat, Jul 15 2017 10:00 AM

As a manufacturer of HDMI products, I don't wish to poo poo many people's views on quality of products, however there is an incredibly limited number of actual parts that can be used to deliver for example 4K video. 

If you wanted to compare AVRs for example, pretty much all of them are using the same silicon to do the job as such it really comes down to the analog side that you would be comparing. 

If you are trying to compare and contrast for example an Oppo 4K BD Player and a Samsung one, the components are the same, because there is only one IC manufacturer and only one Lens manufacturer that can read a UHD disk. Everything else is just cosmetic fluff.

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TV alternative could only be a manufacturer that has Netflix, Amazon Video and HBO apps built into TV's OS - hence Loewe does not fit (if I want to have a hassle with an extra external box - and how elegant is that btw - then I'll simply have B&O). So it can be either LG or Sony, I don't like Samsung as a brand simply.

On audio side, it would be Apple HomePod "mesh" around the apartment potentially. And even without the HomePod being launched yet, you just can't compare the convenience of Music & Siri integration (example: Hey Siri, play some vocal jazz) against B&O endless navigation through the app and no integration between Deezer and TuneIn. I imagine it will become even "sweeter" when the HomePod arrives.

And final comment: this is, I'm afraid, the same path I took after trying several B&O headphones with endless problems and then ended up with AirPods being happier than ever. I just can't be bothered with B&O complexity, not really great products recently and lack of integration. So sorry.

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BAND'OH! replied on Sat, Jul 15 2017 8:21 PM

Agree 100%. The AirPods are outstanding and I love mine and use them all the time. The H5s were a cumbersome product in comparison. Apple can't seem to manufacture these headphones quick enough with waiting lists still at 6 weeks, which has been the case since launch around December 2016. I love that they are groundbreaking, sound amazing and work perfectly with no problems identified whatsoever since purchase. I smile every time I use them and this is how I used to feel when using my B&O products. Alas, no longer. I appreciate B&O doesn't have the resources that Apple does but at the end of the day the best product wins for me and that's Apple, every time these days. Apple are what B&O used to be. Simon.

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Ricardo replied on Sat, Jul 15 2017 9:30 PM

I have a Tandberg 1040 receiver mated with a Phillips 212 turntable pushing out of a pair of S-75's. Love that arrangement.

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