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Hiort replied on Thu, Jun 8 2017 2:16 PM

egges:

my dealer just sent me a message, that B&O is about to support AirPlay 2 with all wireless speaker-systems, so don´t panic. as far as i understand will Siri be another remote for e.g. the BeoSound 2 - cool!!!

I assume that will work if you have a "HomeKit hub" somewhere, like Homepod or AppleTV, where you have set BS2 as one of the speakers. So that would mean that e.g AppleTV (and AppleMusic) would be the source and BS2 "just a speaker". 

 

 

 

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egges:

my dealer just sent me a message, that B&O is about to support AirPlay 2 with all wireless speaker-systems, so don´t panic. as far as i understand will Siri be another remote for e.g. the BeoSound 2 - cool!!!

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this would be really cool! this would allow to combine NL with airplay2. i.e., integrating non-b&o devices in a b&o setup. very cool!

hope also the beolit12 will be supported. i still love this box :)
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jimcaj replied on Thu, Jun 8 2017 2:21 PM
Great. Thanks for sharing, Egges.
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egges replied on Thu, Jun 8 2017 2:26 PM

the multiroom-funcionality of AirPlay 2 will come along with ios 11, not only HomeKit. it will be part of the control center and the music app as well

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Jun 8 2017 3:52 PM

So having done a bit of reading, this is the way i think it will work....

- Airplay 2 speakers will appear in the Home app

- that will include 4th generation Apple TVs

So with respect to voice activation, Siri should be able to trigger Apple Music / Podcasts to those speakers that appear in the Home app.

Whether the Home app allows grouping sets of speakers, i dont know i.e. will the voice activation "play something in lounge + kitchen"  work?...assume it should, but i haven't played with HomeKit stuff.....

If a 4th gen Apple TV is one of your Airplay 2 devices, will voice activating it switch a BeoVision to the Apple TV input.....hopefully yes with HDMI-CEC on......

Will be interesting for Apple Music / Podcast users......no voice activation for anything else, TuneIn, DLNA NAS, other streaming services........but there is Alexa for that i guess......

 

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vlohjr1 replied on Thu, Jun 8 2017 7:12 PM
Been told by my dealer that most likely hardware upgrade required for ap2Sad
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Sandyb replied on Thu, Jun 8 2017 8:26 PM
I was told just a software update by my dealer today - dealers were sent a long email last night with upcoming updates and some information about AP2.....guess they all read it slightly differently!

Who knows but I'd be surprised if every AP capable speaker requires hardware, maybe older ones, but surely not something as recent as the BS1/2, but we'll have to wait to find out....
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vlohjr1 replied on Thu, Jun 8 2017 8:30 PM
Sandyb:

I was told just a software update by my dealer today - dealers were sent a long email last night with upcoming updates and some information about AP2.....guess they all read it slightly differently!

Who knows but I'd be surprised if every AP capable speaker requires hardware, maybe older ones, but surely not something as recent as the BS1/2, but we'll have to wait to find out....

I specifically asked about essence mkii and bs35
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Sandyb replied on Thu, Jun 8 2017 8:35 PM
Wonder if the upgrade will cost a lot?
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vlohjr1:
Been told by my dealer that most likely hardware upgrade required for ap2Sad

When a dealer says 'most likely', to me it means that he doesn't know for sure.

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I find it remarkable, that noone asked about or talked about the protocol used for AirPlay 2.

As we know/should know distributing sound on a network causes traffic.

The current version of AirPlay uses ALAC 16/44.1, which means that the stream is uncompressed.

When you using AirPlay 2 will be able to distribute sound to multiple receivers (question: can you have 2 different AirPlay 2 streams going on at the same time as we can with eg TuneIn streams etc with the NL-protocol?), will that still be uncompressed audio?

Or did they change something there - in order to get a better stability especially in wireless networks - maybe now using (data-) compression?

This might (?) be of importance, when we talk about which devices already support the 2-standart (or just need a sw update to do so).

Another possibility might be that the stream is received directly to the added device (like with Chromecasting and Spotify Connect)?

This seems to be the way the PodHome speaker works.

In this case the (internal) traffic on the network would be lesser than if the stream is distributed from one device to another device (like now with AirPlay). And it might also be possible to turn off the device, that (via the Home app) was used for initiating the stream - and this again would lead to lesser use of power of an iDevice).

Very interesting to learn more about how the new AirPlay version works :-)

Would be interesting if anyone has hints to (knowledge of) this theme?

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jimcaj replied on Fri, Jun 9 2017 9:04 AM

Libratone to support AirPlay 2 on 2015 ZIPP devices. B&O is so far mum.

Libratone June 6 posted this message on Facebook:
"Want to learn more about Apple’s AirPlay 2? At Libratone, we’re excited to announce that we'll support the new AirPlay 2 technology. At 12:00 CEST today – direct from our headquarters in Copenhagen – we'll give you a live breakdown of the upcoming features. Stay tuned!"

June 7, Libratone released this press release:
http://hexus.net/ce/items/audio-visual/106750-libratone-bring-airplay-2-support-lineup-home-speakers/

"A free software update will be released later this year to bring support for AirPlay 2 to the entire Libratone ZIPP range".
The ZIPP range were launched Fall 2015. There are more details on their Facebook page.

From the iMore AirPlay 2 FAQ page: "So the AirPlay speaker I own now won't work?
It could, after an update ...
Libratone ... even confirmed on Twitter that it could add AirPlay 2 support to the $269 ZIPP and $199 ZIPP Mini with a firmware update.
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Bang &Olufsen's own multiroom speaker system already supports AirPlay, and offers a variety of shapes, sizes, and price points, but the company is so far mum on if and when those would get AirPlay 2 support."


 

 

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steve1977 replied on Sat, Jun 10 2017 8:06 AM
in my view, airplay2 only adds to b&o for existing owners. i don't see it to replace, but add functionality:

1) NL / B&O app - perfect for dlna, tunein and deezer. New app has a good UI/UX. even integrates legacy devices through ML/NL. only major drawbacks is that spotify is not supported natively and that dlna can only stream to ml/nl with a work-around. the latter may eventually be solved in the future?

2) Airplay2 - great for people with IOS and those being cheap to go with free deezer/spotify. nicely supported by most b&o devices. major drawbacks are requirement to keep IOS turned on and fully occupied (no playing of games in parallel, no phone calls, etc). this may change for apple music, but i doubt apple will ever introduce dlna support in such way.

3) Googlecast - works well for content on google music and some others. but overall not as stable and lean in implementation as the above two. major drawback is lack of dlna support and NL not being able to distribute the stream to other NL devices. the latter may change?

net-net, i'm looking forward to airplay2 and it excites me to buy another BS1 or BS2.

i'm just really hoping that it will become possible with the b&o app to dlna directly to ML/NL soon.
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reubenb replied on Sat, Jun 10 2017 6:32 PM

Millemissen:
Would be interesting if anyone has hints to (knowledge of) this theme?

This video will answer all of these questions for you: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2017/509/

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Great - thanks for that link.

I was looking for something like that - which probably wasn't online at that time.

'Enhanched buffering' seems to be a keyword.

As this is more for the building of the app (with support for AirPlay 2) I am still looking for something about how AirPlay 2 is handled in the receiving devices.

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Great - thanks for that link.

I was looking for something like that - which probably wasn't online at that time.

'Enhanced buffering' seems to be a keyword.

As this is more for the building of the app (with support for AirPlay 2) I am still looking for something about how AirPlay 2 is handled in the receiving devices.

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And by the way - welcome to Beoworld.

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steve1977 replied on Sat, Jun 17 2017 4:33 PM

Has anyone heard any rumors about support of existing devices? Saw B&W announced that existing line-up will not have airplay 2 support.

I am about to pull the trigger on another BS1 and BS2, but want to wait until I see confirmation they will see airplay 2 support.

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Mark-N replied on Sat, Jun 17 2017 8:13 PM

I'm not sure how valuable rumors with be to help with your decision to buy another BS1 and BS2.  There has been much speculation but until we hear from B&O we don't know what this means for the existing line.  My guess is Apple would have had to have released the information of AirPlay 2 to to companies this time last year, for BS 1 and BS2 to be compatible, which I doubt. I'm not really sure what AirPlay 2 brings us over the current AirPlay.... B&O already offers multi room with AirPlay, and I could always select multiple speakers through the AirPlay icon.  As long as the original AirPlay works the way it does today I will be happy.  I have the features I need and want.  Of course my understanding of AirPlay 2 is very limited.

 

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@Mark-N

AirPlay 2 is important for those, who focus more on AirPlay than on NL.

Some people wan't to be able to integrate other AirPlay 2 devices into their setup, maybe having just one B&O device.

This sure is legitimate and B&O (and we) should be happy, even if they sell 'only one' NL device to a costumer.

It is important, that the NL devices (will/must) have support for AirPlay 2 - just like there is support for Chrome casting - in order to be as versatile as possible.

The B&O devices must - from their functionallity - appeal to as many costumers as possible.

But you are right - we, who see these devices as an integrated part of a B&O multiroom setup, probably could live without AirPlay 2.

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Mark-N replied on Sat, Jun 17 2017 9:31 PM

It seems to me I already have multi-room capability with AirPlay.  I can bring up Apple's Remote App (which I normally do), press the AirPlay icon, select Multiple, and then check the devices I want to play.  They play in sync in different rooms.  While I currently have all B&O devices this does work with a mixture, I've done it before. Pehaps the AirPlay icon doesn't work the same with each application, but I don't see why it couldn't???

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Seems that you are airplaying from iTunes.

If not, please tell us more about how to choose multiple receivers using the Remote App.

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steve1977 replied on Sun, Jun 18 2017 11:15 AM
yes, currently only works from itunes via remote app.

i almost have a NL only setup. advantage of airplay 2 is easier spotify support (direct to all NL devices assuming they have airplay2 support) rather than the need to have two apps. the other advantage is to bring non-NL devices in the mix. for example my beolit 12 or even my much loved old BS1 assuming apple upgrades AE to airplay2.

Naim and libratone have announced that their old devices will be airplay2 compatible via software upgrade. so, maybe also old b&o devices. fingers crossed!

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benoit replied on Sun, Jun 18 2017 11:47 AM

steve1977:
Naim and libratone have announced that their old devices will be airplay2 compatible via software upgrade. so, maybe also old b&o devices. fingers crossed!

Strange that B&O doesn't communicate and stay silent... If the old BS would be compatible I guess that they would be happy and proud to tell it!

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Mark-N replied on Sun, Jun 18 2017 12:58 PM

Millemissen:

Seems that you are airplaying from iTunes.

If not, please tell us more about how to choose multiple receivers using the Remote App.

MM

All of my music (and music related video) is on a Mac mini iTunes server.  I have a couple of iPods with a small subset of my music that I use for Bluetooth and car use.  I have been using the multi-room capabilities of iTunes before I had all B&O equipment and the BeoMusic app.  I've been doing a little reading on AirPlay 2 so my understanding is a little better.  Luckily for what I have read, the existing AirPlay functionality will still work, but the functionality that I enjoy with iTunes will be expanded to other apps, plus the ability of "other" iDevices to add to the playlist. Great for parties I guess.  It would be nice if the BeoSound 1/2, M5, and maybe some of the older devices can be updated, but if not, the new functionality won't be much of a loss for me.

With no word from B&O one way or the other on existing compatibility, I wonder if this would cause a pause in sales.  Probably the knowledge of AirPlay 2 is still quite limited.

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elephant replied on Sun, Jun 18 2017 1:08 PM
If airplay2 is all about the iOS source being able to target multiple speakers then maybe there is nothing that the speakers (or bang and Olufsen) have to do?

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elephant:

If airplay2 is all about the iOS source being able to target multiple speakers then maybe there is nothing that the speakers (or bang and Olufsen) have to do? BeoNut since '75

I believe a software/firmware update would still be required on the speaker to support AirPlay 2, but this can only be done if the speaker hardware supports the AirPlay 2 minimum requirements which I can't find anywhere. Watching Apple's WWDC video on AirPlay 2, there seemed to be an emphasis on the new protocol requiring the speaker hardware to support longer buffering of the stream being received.
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elephant replied on Sun, Jun 18 2017 9:52 PM
AngloApulian:

Watching Apple's WWDC video on AirPlay 2, there seemed to be an emphasis on the new protocol requiring the speaker hardware to support longer buffering of the stream being received.

OK now that makes sense ... and for visual media they introduced a new container and a new compression algorithm, so I wonder if they may be doing the same for audio/ Airplay 2

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Any news from B&O on Airplay 2?

It has now been 1 month since the announcement - very slow action from B&O.

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jimcaj replied on Fri, Jul 7 2017 9:07 AM
Selling old stock?
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Sandyb replied on Fri, Jul 7 2017 9:18 AM
Might well be an Apple issue / restriction.....the home posted speaker isn't due for a while, so I wouldn't expect to hear anything soon.....
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moxxey replied on Fri, Jul 7 2017 9:54 AM

Sandyb:
Might well be an Apple issue / restriction.....the home posted speaker isn't due for a while, so I wouldn't expect to hear anything soon.....

Airplay 2 comes with iOS 11 which is already in public beta! Apple is simply producing a speaker that supports it. By default, it's an API in the OS which should ship within the next 6-8 weeks.

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Jul 7 2017 11:58 AM
Is the airplay 2 protocol in the ios11 beta?

Seen quite a few early reviews of the beta capabilities, but no mention of Airplay 2....of course the reviewers won't have Airplay 2 speakers to test with........I suspect we won't hear much from the speaker manufacturers themselves until they release their new updated hardware, which might not be for a few months yet........not clear to me the voice activation/ assistant part will extend beyond the HomePod itself, so personally speaking it's of passing interest, but let's see.....
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Sandyb:

Is the airplay 2 protocol in the ios11 beta?

Seen quite a few early reviews of the beta capabilities, but no mention of Airplay 2....of course the reviewers won't have Airplay 2 speakers to test with........I suspect we won't hear much from the speaker manufacturers themselves until they release their new updated hardware, which might not be for a few months yet........not clear to me the voice activation/ assistant part will extend beyond the HomePod itself, so personally speaking it's of passing interest, but let's see.....

I’m currently testing iOS11 public beta, but I have no way of testing if AirPlay2 is present as I don’t have any speakers that support it.

The voice activation/assistant will be part of HomePod and is completely separate to AirPlay2.

I do find it odd that other speaker manufacturers have already announced whether their existing products will support AirPlay2 and we have yet to hear anything from B&O.

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moxxey replied on Fri, Jul 7 2017 12:10 PM

Sandyb:
Is the airplay 2 protocol in the ios11 beta?

It is indeed. But, as you say, no speakers yet. No-one is going to release a new speaker until the new OS leaves beta, either. But fully expect them to be out in September.

 

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steve1977 replied on Wed, Sep 13 2017 1:51 AM
ios 11 is just a few days away. still no update what speakers will support airplay 2?
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benoit replied on Mon, Sep 18 2017 12:06 PM

I was thinking of the same...

Although I did read somewhere that for recent speakers a software update could work, I'm not very optimistic as B&O didn't tell anything about any update do support Airplay2...  Some other brands at least communicated. I keep my fingers crossed to see if my Beosound 2 will support it. If not I may sell it and turn definitively the B&O page.

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Michael replied on Mon, Sep 18 2017 8:42 PM
Bang & Olufsen is amongst the brands that are working on it. It was even mentioned on a slide on wwdc, amongst many others.

I think AirPlay 2 is partly at least wifi based so it would probably require wifi at least. So it rules out quite a few speakers in the b&o/BeoPlay assortment already there.

Some producers as libratone already have updates for some speakers coming out so it's possible to some extent to upgrade speakers.
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benoit replied on Mon, Sep 18 2017 9:16 PM

Michael:
Some producers as libratone already have updates for some speakers coming out so it's possible to some extent to upgrade speakers.

As you told, on their site, Libratone confirm a software update will be soon released to enable Airplay2. I don't understand B&O's silence... This is not good as people may not buy now and people like me having an Airplay '1' speaker (like BS2) may feel left aside by B&O and loose even more faith in the brand.

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Michael replied on Mon, Sep 18 2017 10:40 PM
benoit:

As you told, on their site, Libratone confirm a software update will be soon released to enable Airplay2. I don't understand B&O's silence... This is not good as people may not buy now and people like me having an Airplay '1' speaker (like BS2) may feel left aside by B&O and loose even more faith in the brand.

I don't blame B&O for this. It's probably under wraps due to legal reasons in agreement with Apple.
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