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Sal replied on Wed, Feb 15 2017 2:54 PM

Hiort:
Is there a convenient tool for creating m3u lists on Mac?

For those if you using iTunes to manage your music File>Library>Export Playlist... and save as an m3u file.

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Hiort replied on Wed, Feb 15 2017 4:28 PM
Bluetooth over Moment work in Multiroom.

Just play from your paired device and Moment comes awake (or switches from whatever source is played).

The song is even presented on a connected Beovision.

You control everything from your device.

 

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abyss replied on Wed, Feb 15 2017 7:39 PM

Hiort:

Sandyb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4HoT7_mHZU

not sure if you have seen this....someone playing with the newer software.......not sure how radically different it is, other owners will have to opine.......thinking of one myself, even though i dont use Deezer.....similar use case to you.....NAS collection, plus some TuneIn, hoping to Bluetooth in Tidal from my iPhone...though not sure how easy / well that last bit will work.........

Yep, that is one of the earlier versions of the Beta.  Its not radically different in terms of GUI, other than the clever search function covering Deezer and DLNA simultaneously. Using Bluetooth is simple. Once you device is paired, and you start playing from your device the Moment switch to that "source".

Simple I would say.

It's true, the GUI is not radically different, but thats ok for me. I don't think that the user experience would vastly improve just from a total redesign, most of the time the small ideas and improvements are by far more important. A totally new interface would just bring back some basic mistakes.

I'm still not happy with the mood wheel. The music selection from the middle and outer ring misses to many time my taste. The inner ring works perfect for me. But i miss a little bit the MOTS from the Beosound 5.

What i like is the information you now get when you take the lid off. Really nice. The only thing a been missing in the Notifications section: You're able to see the time, but you don't see the date, or did I miss something.

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Hi Hiort.

Can you confirm me if you are using your synology n'as with the standard multimedia app or a 3rd party one ? Harvesting is stuck at 1% since 3 days now on my side... (I upgraded to the beta on Sunday night).

Thank you for your feedback.

Christophe

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Beobuddy replied on Thu, Feb 16 2017 7:30 AM

I found a link with the explanation, new features of the new software:

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 16 2017 7:56 AM

chguillarme:

Hi Hiort.

Can you confirm me if you are using your synology n'as with the standard multimedia app or a 3rd party one ? Harvesting is stuck at 1% since 3 days now on my side... (I upgraded to the beta on Sunday night).

Thank you for your feedback.

Christophe

Hi Christophe!

I´m using the built in media server. I´m using DMA menu style "Advanced". 

Other than that I use the default settings.

I would do a factory reset after the upgrade, if you have problems.

 

 

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 16 2017 9:29 AM

Beobuddy:

I found a link with the explanation, new features of the new software:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T07bInUNKVA&feature=youtu.be

Thanks for charing. A very good walkthrough of most of the improvements.

 

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Thanks for that link - great!

MM

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 16 2017 10:14 AM

chguillarme:

Hi Hiort.

Can you confirm me if you are using your synology n'as with the standard multimedia app or a 3rd party one ? Harvesting is stuck at 1% since 3 days now on my side... (I upgraded to the beta on Sunday night).

Thank you for your feedback.

Christophe

I have responded but the response is in moderation :) But yes, I use the built in Media Server. Suggest you do a factory reset.

 

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mbolo01 replied on Thu, Feb 16 2017 1:00 PM
Hiort:

A very good walkthrough of most of the improvements.

Presented by Mr Clarke himself Big Smile

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 16 2017 2:55 PM

Heard a rumor that the GUI will be tweaked further in coming updates, as well as that face recognition will be added. Not something that will happen in the nearest future as I understood it then probably in the roadmap together with Spotify Connect and Googlecast.

Face recognition would be used to provide profiles for different users, so that mood wheel give a more personalized experience. To what I can see the Jukebox include a camera, so why not.

 

 

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tobeyone replied on Thu, Feb 16 2017 3:27 PM
Do you have to pay for a Deezer subscription to use Deezer on the Moment?
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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 16 2017 3:49 PM

tobeyone:
Do you have to pay for a Deezer subscription to use Deezer on the Moment?

Yes

 

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mbolo01 replied on Thu, Feb 16 2017 4:05 PM

tobeyone:

 

Do you have to pay for a Deezer subscription to use Deezer on the Moment?

 

 

 

.... and B&O is offering 1y subscription, at least when I got mine when it was released it was the case

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Hi Hiort.

 

Resetted the moment but I won't take the collection from my nas, I don't understand why (the beomusic app works fine using it on my other speakers)

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Chris replied on Sat, Feb 18 2017 8:59 AM

chguillarme:

Hi Hiort.

 

Resetted the moment but I won't take the collection from my nas, I don't understand why (the beomusic app works fine using it on my other speakers)

Are you sure your NAS is not having dropouts, or lost packets on the network. Stuck at 10% or 1% is not being able to shake hands with the DLNA server and NAS.

Could be anything, even a bad network connection or bad cable....

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Steph replied on Sat, Feb 18 2017 9:07 AM

What about the album covers on the BeoSound Moment ?

I think the Moment shows the Deezer embbeded cover for the streaming music, but what about your personnal collection stored on the NAS ?

If a JPEG picture is placed in the album folder, does the Moment show it, like the BeoSound 5 ?

Or must the picture be embbeded in each song ?

I remember someone said the cover was not always the same than the JPEG picture and could be confusing.

And finally, if an artist is present both in your own collection and in your Deezer favorites, is it easy to find it ?

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Chris replied on Sat, Feb 18 2017 9:29 AM

Steph:

What about the album covers on the BeoSound Moment ?

I think the Moment shows the Deezer embbeded cover for the streaming music, but what about your personnal collection stored on the NAS ?

If a JPEG picture is placed in the album folder, does the Moment show it, like the BeoSound 5 ?

Or must the picture be embbeded in each song ?

I remember someone said the cover was not always the same than the JPEG picture and could be confusing.

And finally, if an artist is present both in your own collection and in your Deezer favorites, is it easy to find it ?

I always embed my correct Album covers in all songs, thinking future proof... 

I you have an album in Deezer and in your collection, you get an easy view now on the Jukebox. The name of your server/nas appears beneath the Album/Artist. Easy to see if its coming from your collection or Deezer's.

 

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mbolo01 replied on Sat, Feb 18 2017 9:39 AM

Steph:
If a JPEG picture is placed in the album folder, does the Moment show it, like the BeoSound 5 ?

The Moment leverages the TAG album cover published by the DLNA server. It stores this information in its DB in the form of URL pointing to the album cover image stored on the NAS. It also enriches the track info with the artist image Gracenote link.

The search screen splits the search output in two parts, Local collection and Deezer, so very easy to identify.

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mbolo01 replied on Sat, Feb 18 2017 9:52 AM
Images are better than words Smile

I have named my DLNA source "Ma musique", below you see the same artist from both collections:

Now from the search screen:

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No.. Nas is working fine for any other stuff. Using the dlna server with kodi for example works like a charm. I have 2 ethernet port on it and I use bonding to make sure I have enough bandwidth coming from the nas whatever happens (2gb)...

Really don't understand what happens. Since I deserted it even doesn't get stuck @1% it directly stops.

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mbolo01 replied on Sat, Feb 18 2017 11:22 AM

chguillarme:
I have 2 ethernet port on it

Are the two interfaces aggregated and what ethernet switch are you using? I would test with one Ethernet interface active only.

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Steph replied on Sat, Feb 18 2017 2:33 PM

Thanks ! Yes - thumbs up

B&O seems to be on the right track with the new software. Embarrassed

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Weebyx replied on Sun, Feb 19 2017 3:42 PM

Hi all

After having played with the Moment and the latest beta sw... How do I add an album I have found via the search function ? It is a Deezer album I would like to add so I can find it later ?

There are some things that I find not very intuitive about the search, and I don't know if it is even possible ? Do I need to log in to Deezer to do this ?

/Jacob

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mbolo01 replied on Sun, Feb 19 2017 4:22 PM

Weebyx:
How do I add an album I have found via the search function ?

If you heart it (press on the heart on the right of the album), it will be added to you Deezer collection, but for that as for many other Deezer related actions, you need a premium account with Deezer

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Weebyx replied on Sun, Feb 19 2017 4:35 PM

mbolo01:

Weebyx:
How do I add an album I have found via the search function ?

If you heart it (press on the heart on the right of the album), it will be added to you Deezer collection, but for that as for many other Deezer related actions, you need a premium account with Deezer

Already tried it, but it didn't do anything, the account is my dealers Premium+ account, maybe there is a delay before the collection is updated ?

I will try with patience :)

/Jacob 

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mbolo01 replied on Sun, Feb 19 2017 6:17 PM

Weebyx:
I will try with patience :)

I just tested it, heart an album on the JukeBox then refreshed my albums in the Deezer IOS app, in less than 15s the album was available in my collection as well as behind the artists tile in the JukeBox

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Weebyx replied on Sun, Feb 19 2017 6:26 PM

mbolo01:

Weebyx:
I will try with patience :)

I just tested it, heart an album on the JukeBox then refreshed my albums in the Deezer IOS app, in less than 15s the album was available in my collection as well as behind the artists tile in the JukeBox

Ok, so you need to refresh via the IOS app first, for it to appear in collection on Moment ? Or does it maybe require the Moment to refresh the collection via settings ?

I would just like to heart and then without doing stuff, see the album under "collection"

Will play a bit more with it :)

/Jacob

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mbolo01 replied on Sun, Feb 19 2017 7:23 PM

Weebyx:
I would just like to heart and then without doing stuff, see the album under "collection"

 

This is the way it works, I previously went to Deezer to check, not to trigger.

To confirm, I just unliked the album I previously liked, waited 5s, went to Collection and the album is no longer present.

What I have not tested is to heart an album of an artist that is not already present in my collection, this may take more time, I'll try and let you know

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mbolo01 replied on Sun, Feb 19 2017 7:41 PM

done ..... it just took the time to leave the search screen, where I hearted the album, to reach the collection screen where the new artist tile had been added and the hearted album behind.

The good thing in this test is that it helped me to understand a strange behavior I observed: for a reason I ignored up to now, DLNA full scan started without any change at the DLNA server level. I think now that material changes on the Deezer side, like adding a new artist (or album) to a Deezer personal collection triggers a DLNA full scan, inconsistent IMO but real.

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I found the solution : installed and configured Plex server instead of the standard dlna server and it's working like a charm. :)

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mbolo01 replied on Sun, Feb 19 2017 8:41 PM

chguillarme:
I found the solution : installed and configured Plex server instead of the standard dlna server and it's working like a charm. :)

Bien joué!

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PeterBOBP replied on Sun, Feb 19 2017 10:02 PM

I got beta access as well (thanks again Lyle!!) and although the Moment worked fine for me in the past I think the new software is definitely is an improvement. 

I like / much improved:

- responsiveness

- album display

- artist likes form deezer now represented in collection section with all albums underneath

- search function

- stand by function by long press 

Suggestions for improvements: 

- Ability to add artists tiles/photos when Deezer does not supply them. The standard (Deezer) tile when there is no picture is quite ugly. It would be really great iif you could store an artist photo on your DLNA / Twonky server. The Moment could then read that photo from DLNA / Twonky (in case Deezer supplies no picture tile). Of course other solution are also possible. 

 -  Exclude genres from the mood wheel. Currently the music from the middle and outer ring on the Mood Wheel is hit an miss, with quite a few misses. One of the reasons (for me) is that some genres do not appeal to me across the board.  So it would be great if genres could be excluded from the rings, for example by being able to select and deselect genres from the discover (or a similar) screen. Could also be a setting in the seen menu. 

 - Random play on all favorite and DLNA music. As much as I like the Mood Wheel I still would like a random function for all my music. The middle of the mood wheel (the "black spot") would be ideal for that (it does not seem to have a function now). 

- I like the ABCDEFGH.... etc search bar in the main collection screen. I would personally like it to pop up only when I press the lower part of the screen; sometimes I just want to scroll to the artist tiles without it popping up. 

- Pattern play can now only (?) be started from the wooden ring / panel. It would be nice to be able to start it from the other side as well, for example by double clicking the inner side of the volume wheel. 

- No messages. Not sure if it is because it is beta software but sometimes messages appear (for example going to stand by mode) the messages themselves are quite ugly and I do not think they add much value. 

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Weebyx replied on Mon, Feb 20 2017 6:20 AM

mbolo01:

Weebyx:
I would just like to heart and then without doing stuff, see the album under "collection"

 

This is the way it works, I previously went to Deezer to check, not to trigger.

To confirm, I just unliked the album I previously liked, waited 5s, went to Collection and the album is no longer present.

What I have not tested is to heart an album of an artist that is not already present in my collection, this may take more time, I'll try and let you know

Hmm, this does not work on my Moment. I can heart all I want, nothing is being added in the collections view...

Cannot say if it is because I am using the dealers account. It might help to do a reset, but this I will not do on the loaner :)

One thing I am missing really bad though. When browsing through albums in the collection, or "exploring" new albums, it is a pain in the a.. that I cannot se what song and artist is currently playing, I constantly need to flip to the "now playing" page and back again. Even if I am browsing an album, and press a song, I cannot see the "active" song.

And one more thing, and this is just a getting used to, but something people I have shown it to has a hard time with, is that when browsing an album, it shows the list of songs to the right of the cover, but only 5 or 6, and nothing indicates that you should swipe left on the list to see the next 5-6 songs.

Almost all devices in the world swipe up/down in lists, or at least gives you indication that you should swipe left/right. It took me some time to figure out why all albums had so few songs :)

Not intuitive for people not knowing it, and using it without the manual.

/Jacob

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Carolpa replied on Mon, Feb 20 2017 10:05 AM

Weebyx:
Already tried it, but it didn't do anything, the account is my dealers Premium+ account, maybe there is a delay before the collection is updated ?
The Moment is from the dealer? New out of the box or taken out of the shop?

If out of the shop: was the Moment factory reset? Were all NL devices from the dealers shop removed from the settings? If NOT you could end up with "trouble".

 

 

 

 

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Weebyx replied on Mon, Feb 20 2017 10:10 AM

Carolpa:

Weebyx:
Already tried it, but it didn't do anything, the account is my dealers Premium+ account, maybe there is a delay before the collection is updated ?
The Moment is from the dealer? New out of the box or taken out of the shop?

If out of the shop: was the Moment factory reset? Were all NL devices from the dealers shop removed from the settings? If NOT you could end up with "trouble".

It was not factory reset, so I suspect it could be "confused" somehow.

When and if I decide to buy one at the end of this week, it off course will be brand new, and all should be good :) Might wait to buy until the SW has been released to the public, just to see if all are happy, or some other bad behaviour happens.

/Jacob

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Hiort replied on Mon, Feb 20 2017 1:00 PM

Weebyx:

Might wait to buy until the SW has been released to the public, just to see if all are happy, or some other bad behaviour happens.

The public release will be the same as the one me and other have tested for a few weeks. So the risk for "other bad behaviour" should be minimal. Smile

 

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PeterBOBP replied on Mon, Feb 20 2017 4:45 PM

Does anyone know if the new software also has specific features for Deeper family? 

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Weebyx replied on Mon, Feb 20 2017 4:52 PM

Hiort:

Weebyx:

Might wait to buy until the SW has been released to the public, just to see if all are happy, or some other bad behaviour happens.

The public release will be the same as the one me and other have tested for a few weeks. So the risk for "other bad behaviour" should be minimal. Smile

I know, but... I work with SW daily, and I know that no matter how much we test, how much we "do betas" and so on, when something comes out to many many users, stuff will show. But you are right, if I do not notice stuff now, the chance of bad stuff are minimal :)

I think I will finally pull the trigger :) Also, multiroom is not that important to me for now, so instead of connecting a connection hub and my tv, I have set the delay down to 50ms on the moment, this has solved my lip sync problems.

But just to be sure, I will borrow an M5 from my dealer tomorrow, just to se how bad the multiroom will perform with 50ms delay.

Do you know when the public SW will be available ?

/Weebyx 

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Carolpa replied on Mon, Feb 20 2017 6:31 PM
Minor effect noticed after latest update:

In BeoMusic (build 117 and 120) no album covers are shown when playing the Moment. The phenomenon is the same if another NL product is joined.

My setup

Moment linked to BV11; speakers shared with BV11.

Moment itself works without problems as well locally as joined to/from other NL devices.

Anybody noticed the same effect
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