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vlohjr1 Posted: Sun, Jan 1 2017 11:35 AM
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1483196929
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vlohjr1:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1483196929

No way - that is just a display.

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Michael replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 2:31 PM
Quite cool! Maybe upcoming BV will be only display and the speakers separately, even the center. Or at least some models (as has been before with BV4/7/12).

How to solve a moving floor stand would be interesting to see but these slim tvs are really slick.
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I said this was coming on this very forum a few years ago, only to be laughed at. If B&O don't see this as an opportunity in speakers like the 12 series, they'll be missing a massive trick.

In a few short years, the idea of having a large boxy rectangle in your room will seem odd. The panels will simply paste or attach magnetically to a wall, with all the processors tucked neatly away. A Beovision 12-65, but 2mm thick.

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Chris Townsend:
If B&O don't see this as an opportunity in speakers like the 12 series, they'll be missing a massive trick.

Now I started to think even of B&O developing a set of "screen-agnostic" TV speaker combos/soundbars that you can complement then with B&O or non-B&O TV screens... ...obviously from design etc perspective being most effectively and seamlessly integrated with B&O panel.

What a lovely possibility. :)

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olvisab replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 3:18 PM

even patched on a wall, a screen is a screen unless their reliability and power consumption let us display pictures all day long. then it will become something different.

this is just geek masturbation that just destroy the television as an object. Hard for the manufacturer to add their brand and differences.

 

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That seems like a poor excuse for not adopting this type of technology. How many Beoworlder's have wall mounted screens with the cables hidden inside the walls neatly?

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olvisab replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 3:26 PM

I have seen many screen unprotected by a piece of glass in front completely destroyed by just the pressure of fingers on the side (by just moving them).

I don't know if the oled tv are less or more sensible to these risks. (dents, scratches...).

 

 

 

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olvisab replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 3:32 PM

I have done it with beolab 5000, beolab 10 and a pair of beolab 5 

this was a long job, only possible because my garage was at the back of the wall. maybe some beoworlders have the time and courage for doing it (not putting on the wall just a bv10 or 11 but a complete set), but most of people just hang the tv and/or use an av receiver.

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Michael replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 4:01 PM
Chris Townsend:

That seems like a poor excuse for not adopting this type of technology. How many Beoworlder's have wall mounted screens with the cables hidden inside the walls neatly?

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I agree!
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vlohjr1 replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 4:01 PM
Chris Townsend:

I said this was coming on this very forum a few years ago, only to be laughed at. If B&O don't see this as an opportunity in speakers like the 12 series, they'll be missing a massive trick.

In a few short years, the idea of having a large boxy rectangle in your room will seem odd. The panels will simply paste or attach magnetically to a wall, with all the processors tucked neatly away. A Beovision 12-65, but 2mm thick. Beovision 7-55 Mk2, Avant RF 28, Beolab 9, Beolit 15, Beoplay A1/A2, Beocom 2, Beotime, H3 ANC/H8/H6/H2, Form 2, Beoplay A3, Beovision 5-42 connected to a DVD1

I agree Chris but wonder how much bO specialness can be added to it?
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Unfortunately as the main tv in a room, i shouldn't imagine not much.  I'll keep my 5-42 as a piece of AV archaeology.

But if they aren't making much money on Beovisions or even a loss of rumours are true, then they could concentrate on the AV intergration and audio sector. 

 

The 12-3 etc was way ahead of its time I think. 

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olvisab replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 4:36 PM

lol if 12.3 are ahead for their time what should we say for the beolab 3000 to 5000. technology inspired by aliens ?

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vlohjr1 replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 5:33 PM
Chris Townsend:

Unfortunately as the main tv in a room, i shouldn't imagine not much. I'll keep my 5-42 as a piece of AV archaeology.

But if they aren't making much money on Beovisions or even a loss of rumours are true, then they could concentrate on the AV intergration and audio sector.

The 12-3 etc was way ahead of its time I think.

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For these wallpaper TVs it will have to go via the bv4/bs4 route
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olvisab replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 9:19 PM

that would be the end of the beovision. the dna of the tv by b&o is the all in one solution. They add previously launched some different/stranged solution (bv4, bv12) in the past but the b&o tv has attracted people because it looked like a stylish all in one solution.

I realised that when I first put my hands on an av9000 and after a bv 4 50.

 

 

 

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Michael:
Chris Townsend:

That seems like a poor excuse for not adopting this type of technology. How many Beoworlder's have wall mounted screens with the cables hidden inside the walls neatly?

I agree!

Wouldn't it be a far greater job to have speakers integrated flat in the walls (to match a flat, flat screen) and to hide all the electronic including all needed cabling?

And it would bann you to have it fixed on (!) the wall - goodbye (turnable) stands and individual placement on a shelf etc.

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Michael replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 9:37 PM
olvisab:

that would be the end of the beovision. the dna of the tv by b&o is the all in one solution. They add previously launched some different/stranged solution (bv4, bv12) in the past but the b&o tv has attracted people because it looked like a stylish all in one solution.

I realised that when I first put my hands on an av9000 and after a bv 4 50.

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I don't think it's the end of BV. Times change. TVs goes thinner and thinner and it will be harder and harder to not follow that way. I'm sure they will evolve in interesting ways.
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olvisab:

this is just geek masturbation...

That is exactly the right word for it!

Not everything, that is possible, is also useable.

Might be ideal for a display for conference rooms, exhibitions, shops - but not for an A/V solution (aka a BV).

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Michael replied on Sun, Jan 1 2017 10:53 PM
Millemissen:

That is exactly the right word for it!

Not everything, that is possible, is also useable.

Might be ideal for a display for conference rooms, exhibitions, shops - but not for an A/V solution (aka a BV).

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I find it a bit insulting comparing suggestions and thoughts about technology and design with masturbation. Geez.
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davidr replied on Mon, Jan 2 2017 2:06 AM

Millemissen:
Might be ideal for a display for conference rooms, exhibitions, shops - but not for an A/V solution (aka a BV).

Sorry what?

Actually LCD technology is better for well lit rooms because the backlights can be made super bright and LCDs even today are brighter than OLED or Plasma ever were. "A/V" is another wishy-washy term by some geeks.

Let's be real here, other than the obviously fabulous casework there's nothing inherently unique about BV, open the set and I am near 100% it will be a off the shelf LG or Samsung LCD panel. Some goes for the older Beolabs, just standard STK chip amps. "IcePower" = class D switching amp like car audio.

Of course I fully appreciate b&o design work and thoughfly packaged appeal. Personally I don't see myself spending many thousands on a small 48" set that has a old LCD panel and dodgy software.

Not trying to be nasty..

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vlohjr1:

For these wallpaper TVs it will have to go via the bv4/bs4 route

And hopefully the new BSx black box and/or new speakers would be able to orient the sound stage to where you are sitting (without any friends Big Smile) - no need to rotate the speakers just rotate a credit card thin panel

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moxxey replied on Mon, Jan 2 2017 8:30 AM

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Let's be real here, other than the obviously fabulous casework there's nothing inherently unique about BV, open the set and I am near 100% it will be a off the shelf LG or Samsung LCD panel. Some goes for the older Beolabs, just standard STK chip amps. "IcePower" = class D switching amp like car audio.

Of course. But even Apple doesn't make their controller chips. They are still off-the-shelf from ARM and others. Let's face it, B&O buy the best components, create a unique design, choosing great materials and wrap it up for sale as their product. But happy to pay for this premium as, on balance, they mostly get it right! 

The only issue I have is the price increases where every other electronics manufacturer reduces prices. I was laughing on another forum the other day wehere people were saying £500 was quite a lot of money for a 40" TV....I walk in to my local B&O store and they tell me the BV14-40 is £5000...and is going up 9-13% from 1 Jan and there was already a price increase in November? 😂

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@Moxxey

I just received a mail from B&O Play announcing a price reduction (!!!).

The A6 is going down to 799€ (formerly official price was 999).

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davidr:

Sorry what?

Let's be real here, other than the obviously fabulous casework there's nothing inherently unique about BV, open the set and I am near 100% it will be a off the shelf LG or Samsung LCD panel. Some goes for the older Beolabs, just standard STK chip amps. "IcePower" = class D switching amp like car audio.

I think, I heard that before LOL

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moxxey replied on Mon, Jan 2 2017 10:14 AM

Millemissen:

I just received a mail from B&O Play announcing a price reduction (!!!).

The A6 is going down to 799€ (formerly official price was 999).

Yes, one product. Everything else (regular B&O range) is going up though! That's why I bought the BeoSound 1 on Friday. Not sure of the new UK RRP, but I think it's going to be around £1100 from tomorrow? Makes the A6 look like a bargain :)

The A6 is probably the best value speaker in the range right now, based on price<>performance. I own the A9, A6, A1, A2 and BeoSound 1 and I'd say the A9 is amazing, but for the (new) price, the A6 is a very good second. Less than half the price, but definitely not half the performance!

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davidr:

Millemissen:
Might be ideal for a display for conference rooms, exhibitions, shops - but not for an A/V solution (aka a BV).

Sorry what?

Actually LCD technology is better for well lit rooms because the backlights can be made super bright and LCDs even today are brighter than OLED or Plasma ever were. "A/V" is another wishy-washy term by some geeks.

I am not sure how that fits in to my comment to the usability of a wall-paper screen in a home environment.

 

P.S. A/V is the term that B&O has been using for their combination of picture and sound for decades.

You may call that 'geeky', if you please.

I - as well as most of the Beoworlders - am/are geeks, then.

 

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moxxey:

Millemissen:

I just received a mail from B&O Play announcing a price reduction (!!!).

The A6 is going down to 799€ (formerly official price was 999).

Yes, one product. Everything else (regular B&O range) s going up though! That's why I bought the BeoSound 1 on Friday.

I wonder if this price increase is just for the UK?

If yes, then I will start guessing, what the reason might be - hmmm!

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moxxey replied on Mon, Jan 2 2017 10:21 AM

Millemissen:

I wonder if this price increase is just for the UK?

I think it is. But my dealer claimed the prices went up early November, too! Twice, in two months? wow.

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linder replied on Mon, Jan 2 2017 3:49 PM

The chief designer for LG is Torsten Valeur.  I think whatever the new B&O/LG TV is going to be.  We all may like it.  I do like the OLED wallpaper concept.  I hope B&O will have a 65 inch version of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM1k0h6ZqMk  (LG video presentation by Torsten Valeur).

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LG is a huge company with many departments.

Torsten Valeur has nothing (!) to do with the audio or video division of LG - this is part of his agreement as a designer for the B&O stuff.

P.S. Wouldn't make any difference anyway - what is there to design on a wallpaper display?

The colour of the magnet plate, maybe ;-)

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Michael replied on Mon, Jan 2 2017 7:46 PM
Millemissen:

LG is a huge company with many departments.

Torsten Valeur has nothing (!) to do with the audio or video division of LG - this is part of his agreement as a designer for the B&O stuff.

P.S. Wouldn't make any difference anyway - what is there to design on a wallpaper display?

The colour of the magnet plate, maybe ;-)

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Not everything is the external design. A huge part of B&O is the integration and how one interact with their electronic devices and how they work for one. This is design too. Regarding external design I believe there will be interesting things to come. It takes a designer to come up with ideas as we see clearly above.Smile
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Not everything is the external design. A huge part of B&O is the integration and how one interact with their electronic devices and how they work for one. This is design too. Regarding external design I believe there will be interesting things to come. It takes a designer to come up with ideas as we see clearly above.Smile

That is exactly my point.

And that is the reason, why it really does not matter whether the screen is 1 mm or 8 mm - or if it is removeable from a magnet base.

Just look at the BV Horizon - they could have made that a lot thinner, but they did not!

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linder replied on Mon, Jan 2 2017 9:39 PM

Thanks MM,

My post was not exactly correct.  I meant to say Torsten Valeur was the designer of the LG's Signature line of products which does include an OLED TV.

 

 

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jvezina replied on Fri, Jan 6 2017 3:11 PM

Good afternoon,

The new LG TVs were presented at CES.

http://www.theverge.com/ces/2017/1/4/14155650/lg-oled-4k-tv-w-ces-2017-specs-release-date

We have to see if B&O will show at least prototypes of their upcoming OLED TVs. CES ends January 8.

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vlohjr1 replied on Fri, Jan 6 2017 3:18 PM
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Good afternoon,

The new LG TVs were presented at CES.

http://www.theverge.com/ces/2017/1/4/14155650/lg-oled-4k-tv-w-ces-2017-specs-release-date

We have to see if B&O will show at least prototypes of their upcoming OLED TVs. CES ends January 8.

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If they do a B&O sound bar, and that screen I can attach to my wall then I'm in. Even the LG sound bar looked great to be honest.

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moxxey replied on Fri, Jan 6 2017 5:47 PM

jvezina:

 

We have to see if B&O will show at least prototypes of their upcoming OLED TVs. CES ends January 8.

That's not going to happen. Dealers have seen what's coming from B&O and the OLED TV isn't due soon - I was told Summer/Q3 2017, potentially.

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linder replied on Fri, Jan 6 2017 11:38 PM

jvezina:

Good afternoon,

The new LG TVs were presented at CES.

http://www.theverge.com/ces/2017/1/4/14155650/lg-oled-4k-tv-w-ces-2017-specs-release-date

We have to see if B&O will show at least prototypes of their upcoming OLED TVs. CES ends January 8.

Regards,

Jean

 

Thanks for the link.  I thought the wallpaper version with the sound bar was impressive.  B&O could do a better version with a new design center speaker to get 5.1 sound.  We will see what happens.  These CES presentations of new products demonstrate the competition in the TV market place. I think B&O made the right decision to partner with LG Electronics.  The really fun thing LG showed was the refrigerator with Amazon built in.  I have to have that.

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davidr replied on Sat, Jan 7 2017 12:44 AM

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If they do a B&O sound bar, and that screen I can attach to my wall then I'm in. Even the LG sound bar looked great to be honest.

Exactly, why they almost stubbornly stick with LCD tech, small sizes and thick frames is totally beyond me.

Hopefully they're cooking up something really worthy of a Beovision of 2017.

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elephant replied on Sat, Apr 29 2017 7:11 AM
I took some photos in a response to a thread last week about LG's wafer thin OLED but now I can't find THAT thread so I am sticking these here ...

It is unbelievably thin

And expensive compared to the Samsung QLCD alongside it

Sound was great

Demo was highlight Dolby ATMOS

Sorry the 2nd picture does not show the white ribbon cable the connects the display to the master unit

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