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Chris Townsend:

in the last three months I’ve been dismissed from work! to today being told...”our bad, here’s your old job back”! Bit short on patience......

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Sorry mate - I had not picked it up - too focused on my more trivial issues - so sorry

However somewhat pleased they have called you back ... I can understand your lack of tolerance

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svinaik:

Welcome to the rebel club......

That could be the new name of this thread ;-)))

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BAND'OH! replied on Tue, Dec 5 2017 11:49 PM

Great thread and I too have really enjoyed reading all from start to finish this evening. It is funny calling it a rebel thread but in many ways it is I guess, and that's so sad for our shared love of the B&O brand. Nonetheless, it is what it is. I too will be buying a Loewe model but since my hose renovations will not be starting until April 2018 and going on for 3-6 months it seems that I too (like Anglo...) will be waiting for the next models from Loewe in the new year so this is in many ways quite exciting. Of course if B&O also have a new model being released then I will definitely consider that too but I have to be honest and say I am not holding out much hope at all given their recent history of product releases. Anyway, I am not going to bash B&O any more as I have made my points and feelings clear many times in different threads. I do however hope I may one day be pleasantly surprised. The Loewe/Almando combination seems perfect so this is my way forward with BL9s as fronts until I change them for Klang models at some point as I like my system components to all be the same where possible. I'll need to test the speakers though to ensure I feel happy with them and that they are suitable B&O replacements. Cheers and please keep the posts coming in this lively and very informative exciting thread. Simon.

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This thread is much more civil, if you will. I say this as an eclipse owner and also that i like reading this threadBig Smile

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Interesting thread. I'm keen on the Eclipse but interested in the Loewe, especially if the 77 can be had for the same price as a 65 Eclipse. A few questions re the Loewe:

  • I'd like 7.1 surround and was planning on an Oppo. Can the Oppo replace the need for the Almando?
  • How do you configure BL5s to act as both front speaker and as sub?
  • The floor stand looks awful. My perfect floor stand for such a big screen would lower the screen to the floor when off, raising to a viewing position when on. This is because mine would be in front of a window which is unfortunate but the only place it can be. Don't need it to swivel. I've looked but I've not seen such a stand anywhere (except on the giant B&O plasma which I forget the designation).

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svinaik replied on Wed, Dec 6 2017 9:38 AM

Beer_Baron:

Interesting thread. I'm keen on the Eclipse but interested in the Loewe, especially if the 77 can be had for the same price as a 65 Eclipse. A few questions re the Loewe:

  • I'd like 7.1 surround and was planning on an Oppo. Can the Oppo replace the need for the Almando?
  • How do you configure BL5s to act as both front speaker and as sub?
  • The floor stand looks awful. My perfect floor stand for such a big screen would lower the screen to the floor when off, raising to a viewing position when on. This is because mine would be in front of a window which is unfortunate but the only place it can be. Don't need it to swivel. I've looked but I've not seen such a stand anywhere (except on the giant B&O plasma which I forget the designation).

Here are some answers.

7.1 Surround via Oppo : To use Oppo as your surround processor, you are totally bypassing the Loewe Integration. B&O speakers can technically be used with any other non B&O product but I am not an expert on Oppo and B&O Integration. Hopefully some better informed individual can respond

BL5 as front and sub : You do not have to do this separately. BL 5 as front already have very deep bass and in the Loewe sound set up, you can define the range of speakers. For BL5, just pick the lowest range possible in the set up. In fact I also have BL5 and never felt the need for any other sub as they go real low.

Floor Stand : since you have very unique requirements, I really can not think of any off the shelf offering. Perhaps one of the forum sponsors, STB bracket folks can help you.

 

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svinaik replied on Wed, Dec 6 2017 11:58 AM

BAND'OH!:
The Loewe/Almando combination seems perfect so this is my way forward with BL9s as fronts until I change them for Klang models at some point as I like my system components to all be the same where possible. I'll need to test the speakers though to ensure I feel happy with them and that they are suitable B&O replacements.

@Simon

I am also interested in checking out the Klang 9. I am back in Europe in February (Paris) and will make it a point to go to Loewe Gallery to listen to them though I have no plans to buy them, considering I just bought BL50.

But...Love the look of Klang 9 and I think Chris Townsend had mentioned that he listened to them and found them to be very clean. Well, If I ever have more space in the house and move my BL5 to my son, I just may get into Klang 9 also to go with Loewe BILD and keep BL 50 only for the pure stereo listening... Well nothing wrong in dreaming on.....

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If I kept my 5s, could I use this Almando Box with a Loewe 5-65?

https://almando.com/index.php/almando-powerlink-switch-stereo.html

I ask because it’s considerably cheaper than some of the others. Considering how I feel about how we were sold the 5s, the Klang 9s seem a fairly certain bet to be honest.

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svinaik replied on Wed, Dec 6 2017 9:28 PM

 

Chris Townsend:

If I kept my 5s, could I use this Almando Box with a Loewe 5-65?

https://almando.com/index.php/almando-powerlink-switch-stereo.html

I ask because it’s considerably cheaper than some of the others. Considering how I feel about how we were sold the 5s, the Klang 9s seem a fairly certain bet to be honest.

It should work. Just make sure that either this box comes with correct cable for connection (IN) with Loewe 5.65 (DAL - Digital audio link) or you order the cable separately.

On the BL5 side (OUT) , it is a simple Powerlink connection with standard B&O power link cables. If you have any doubts, just send a question on the customer service link on Almando. They are very good in responding.

On the other hand, if your B&O dealer takes back the BL5, you have the Klang pathway totally open to you .

 

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My Bild 5 is arriving today(only ordered it Tuesday) Is there a way of controlling Sky Q from the Loewe remote?

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Maybe the ‘rebels’ can get some inspiration from this article when trying to set up their BeoLabs

with a built-in Loewe surround processor/an Almando ditto (or another third-party processor):

http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/

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svinaik replied on Fri, Dec 8 2017 1:02 PM

Millemissen:

Maybe the ‘rebels’ can get some inspiration from this article when trying to set up their BeoLabs

with a built-in Loewe surround processor/an Almando ditto (or another third-party processor):

http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/

MM

Thanks MM. Truly a great article. Geoff is a mine of knowledge on sound.

This article also demystifies the B&O integration with non B&O products. I must admit that I was also a victim of my own limited knowledge fearing that B&O are a closed system product but I am grateful that I am able to enjoy the best of what B&O does (BL 50 in my case) with the best that I think other companies do (Loewe BILD in my case).

Loewe surround processor / Almando takes the unknown out and gives a very simple solution via the Loewe sound setup and Almando automation combined with B&O App for BL 50 with no issue at all in terms of sound stage as well as any lip synch.

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Sorry to hijack this thread, but how do I assign Sky Q to say “TV” or our UHD player to “Video” etc?

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svinaik replied on Sun, Dec 10 2017 7:07 PM

Chris Townsend:

Sorry to hijack this thread, but how do I assign Sky Q to say “TV” or our UHD player to “Video” etc?

@Chris, I am not familiar with Sky Q etc. but on the Loewe side, Each of the input (I Presume Sky Q is connected with either HDMI or AV connection) can be renamed to what ever you want.

On the Home / Source menu, highlight the connection and then press "Menu" on the remote and it opens up a side menu which allows you to change the name / Thumbnail on the Loewe .

I hope that I understood your question well and this is what you were looking for  but if not, I am not sone one UK / Europe will know better answer.

 

 

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BeoGreg replied on Mon, Dec 11 2017 4:54 PM
I think that what Chris is asking is how the TV button on the remote can turn on/off Sky Q decoder and the Video button an uhd player.

Like a puc without puc.

I’m also interested in that question (if that’s Chris question !).
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It is.

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pjk561 replied on Mon, Dec 11 2017 7:08 PM

For cables from the Oppo to Beolab 5s I would check with Steve of Sounds Heavenly. An issue with RCA line inputs of B&O speakers is that on absence of volume the speaker may shut off. (my Beolab 6000s did.) I believe Steve has cables that can go from RCA outputs to a Powerlink adapter that can keep the speaker on during low volume.

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BeoGreg replied on Wed, Dec 13 2017 9:51 AM
Chris, there’s a stb button on the remote that can learn ir codes from what the dealer told me.

I would use the stb button for Sky Q decoder.

There’s a video button on the remote and an hdmi port with ARC.

I would try to set the video button on hdmi ARC for the 4k player.

Just some thoughts about Loewe products I know nothing about !
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ARC will not help in this case. This would help if you have a soundbar or a reciever.

What Chris needs is a HDMI with CEC, and I expect all have this.

Then you will rely on CEC which is not as good as B&O PUC but works weel enough in most cases.

 

 

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BeoGreg replied on Wed, Dec 13 2017 1:12 PM
Right Emil ! Now Chris tel us how it works and post a pic of your Loewovision.
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I’m afraid because of the behaviour of our old dealer, my wife insists that B&O is now removed from our house. I’ve sold our Beolab 5s, and our 7-55 is now long gone unfortunately. I’ve bought a Loewe 5-65 and some matching speakers from Richer Sounds, a company I was guilty of discounting due to nothing other than snobbery. Thankfully they’ve been a completely proved me wrong.

There will still be some Beoplay products, but even they are falling to B&W and Naim. We’ve agreed to keep the 5-42, because it’s old skool David Lewis design and a symbol of what the company once was.

Unfortunately for B&O in the longer term, is that my 3 young boys who were guaranteed customers for the next 70-80 years, will now be lost due to the greed and mischief of a shop we had bought in for 12 years.

Best regards to you all

Chris

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BAND'OH! replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 12:28 AM

I get it Chris, I am completely with you. I have similar feelings to a local dealership in my neck fo the woods. But there you go, you buy the person or the experience, never the product. So many companies miss this; Lee being an exception. Simon.

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PCS replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 12:15 PM

How to program the Loewe remote to control "other" non-Loewe devices.

Loewe remote: 89900A23-4 / 89900D13-4 (remove battery cover to see number) are the latest models, comes with every Loewe TV in 2017/2018.
Every Device button (TV/STB/VIDEO/AUDIO) can be programmed for another brand.
The STB button is pre-programmed (according the manual) to control an Apple TV.

There is a list of codes in which a few "SKY" related boxes are mentioned with the 3-number code, this code can be programmed under the STB-button as follows:
Press STB button and OK button for 5 seconds (at the same time)
The LED above STB flashes 2 times, then release both buttons.
Enter the 3-digit code. 
The LED above STB lights up for one second.
Press OK to end the program-mode. 
The LED above STB flashes 2 times to confirm succesfull programming

These are all SKY related codes, hopefully one works:
SKY 034, 050, 189, 227, 001
SKY MASTER 060, 133, 168, 170, 197, 215
SKY PLUS 002 SKYLAB 051
SKYMAX 033
SKYSAT 197
SKYVISION 059

It is also possible to put the Loewe Assist is a LEARN mode, if anyone requires info let me know.

https://www.loewe-friends.de/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=6864&p=140561&hilit=assist+anlernen#p140561

This is the URL to the LOEWE-FRIENDS site, it is all in german !!

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KMA replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 12:31 PM
Chris Townsend:

I’m afraid because of the behaviour of our old dealer, my wife insists that B&O is now removed from our house. I’ve sold our Beolab 5s, and our 7-55 is now long gone unfortunately. I’ve bought a Loewe 5-65 and some matching speakers from Richer Sounds, a company I was guilty of discounting due to nothing other than snobbery. Thankfully they’ve been a completely proved me wrong.

There will still be some Beoplay products, but even they are falling to B&W and Naim. We’ve agreed to keep the 5-42, because it’s old skool David Lewis design and a symbol of what the company once was.

Unfortunately for B&O in the longer term, is that my 3 young boys who were guaranteed customers for the next 70-80 years, will now be lost due to the greed and mischief of a shop we had bought in for 12 years.

Best regards to you all

Chris

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As a BeoPlay alternative, and all-in-one BeoSound alternative, the Naim Muso series seems (and sounds) like a good alternative. Materials are better than in the BeoPlay range, and the price of a Muso Cube is similar to BeoPlay A6. The Muso range also has received good reviews. Design is of course a matter of taste.

For my latest purchase, I contemplated quite a while between BeoPlay A6 and Naim Muso Cube. I chose the A6 for its design.

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svinaik replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 12:32 PM

PCS:
It is also possible to put the Loewe Assist is a LEARN mode, if anyone requires info let me know.

@PCS thanks much. This is very helpful.

If you know the codes to use to program the Oppo Blue Ray players or Sony UHD player, it will be super useful as I have connected the Sony UXB 800 and Oppo 105D to the Loewe BILD 7.

Sincerely

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PCS replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 1:56 PM

I found three codes for SONY 
SONY 067, 211, 227

None for OPPO but you can try the Cambridge code maybe:
CAMBRIDGE 006, 104, 199

 

I will send you, svinaik, the learn instructions by email

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svinaik replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 12:36 AM

Folks, One more insight on the Loewe BILD UHD Connection. 

Loewe BILD has 4 HDMI connections but only 1 HDMI port (HDMI 4) will support the full HDR / Dolby Vision / UHD input. If you have more than one source equipment capable of UHD / HDR outputs (e.g. Apple TV 4H HDR + Sony UXB 800 or Oppo 203), you will have to find an external solution to get full advantage of the UHD resolution.

I have just ordered an external HDMI UHD switcher to connect my source equipment (Apple TV 4K and Sony UXB 800) to the switcher and then switcher will be connected with the Loewe HDMI 4.

I do not know if the Eclipse also has the same issue or not but if any one wants to know more about the HDMI UHD switcher that I have ordered, let me know and I will post more details.

I wish Loewe had provided at least 2 HDMI sockets with UHD capabilities but it is what it is... With the switcher, If I ever need, I can connect unto 4 sources with a single connection going to Loewe.

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kiwi4all replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 10:44 AM

Hi svinaik,

According to Loewe they have on the current OLED sets 3 HDMI-connections with HDMI 2.0 (=UHD) and one with HDMI 2.0a.

HDMI 1: 4K-capable, HDR, ARC-Function
HDMI 2: 4K-capable, HDR
HMDI 3: 4K-capable, no HDR
HDMI 4: 4K-capable, HDR, Dolby Vision. (=HDMI 2.0a)

So, UHD on all 4 ports, but Dolby-vision only on HDMI4.

According to https://www.whathifi.com/sony/ubp-x800/review your Sony player does not support Dolby Vision, the Apple 4k TV does.

So I guess you can connect your Apple TV to HDMI 4 and your Sony to HDMI 1 or 2 without loosing any picture quality.

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svinaik replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 12:39 PM

kiwi4all:

Hi svinaik,

According to Loewe they have on the current OLED sets 3 HDMI-connections with HDMI 2.0 (=UHD) and one with HDMI 2.0a.

HDMI 1: 4K-capable, HDR, ARC-Function
HDMI 2: 4K-capable, HDR
HMDI 3: 4K-capable, no HDR
HDMI 4: 4K-capable, HDR, Dolby Vision. (=HDMI 2.0a)

So, UHD on all 4 ports, but Dolby-vision only on HDMI4.

According to https://www.whathifi.com/sony/ubp-x800/review your Sony player does not support Dolby Vision, the Apple 4k TV does.

So I guess you can connect your Apple TV to HDMI 4 and your Sony to HDMI 1 or 2 without loosing any picture quality.

@Kiwi4all

Thank you so much for your input. You are 100% correct that all the HDMI 1,2 and 4 are 2.0 and above can accept the HDR signal.

When I connected the Sony UBP-X800 to HDMI 2, I should have also removed the "HDMI Compatibility" in the Connections section in the setting menu. I think the "HDMI Compatibility" setting downgrades the HDMI port so that it can communicate with older generation devices. Once I removed that setting, I was able to get the HDR picture on the TV via Sony UBX 800.

Thank you again for providing the correct information and saving me the effort and cost of putting in HDMI Switcher.

Loewe BILD rocks....

 

 

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kiwi4all replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 3:43 PM

svinaik:
Loewe BILD rocks....

Hi Svinaik,

 

since this week I also have a Bild 5.55 in my living room.

Discovered same problem like you with the HDMI-connections, as my LG UHD player does support Dolby Vision.

My current work around is to manually connect either LG or Apple TV to HDMI. In the last three days I only played with the LG player.

And by using "Planet Earth 2 4K" discs...I also learned: you have to have the right HDMI-cable also. My old HDMI-cables are all only HDMI 1.4 certified.

Awaiting new cables.

The Loewe Bild up to now is nice, but not rocking yet ;-)

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svinaik replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 4:00 PM

kiwi4all:

Discovered same problem like you with the HDMI-connections, as my LG UHD player does support Dolby Vision.

My current work around is to manually connect either LG or Apple TV to HDMI

Hi Kiwi4all

Since you do have 2 sources capable of Dolby Vision (LG UHD Player and Apple TV), the only work around will be to use a HDMI Switcher which can take in 2 UHD signals and then connect to Loewe HDMI 4.

Before your post on HDMI 2.0 ports on Loewe, I had already found and ordered an HDMI Switcher which I think is the best in the field. The link to the product is here in case you end up using Both, LG UHD and Apple TV 4H HDR and feel the need. Since I have the Sony UBX 800 which can only play HDR (No Dolby Vision), I am just plugging it to HDMI 2 on Loewe and Apple TV is on HDMI 4. Fantastic picture quality though even with just HDR via Sony.

http://www.gefen.com/product/4k-ultra-hd-600-mhz-4x1-switcher-EXT-UHD600-41

 

 

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