Sign in   |  Join   |  Help
Click here to change your Beoworld Account Details

BEOVISION ECLIPSE

rated by 0 users
This post has 1,783 Replies | 16 Followers

elephant
Top 10 Contributor
AU
Posts 7,473
OFFLINE
Founder
elephant replied on Tue, Nov 14 2017 9:14 AM
Thank you all new Eclipse owners !

Your positive feedback has given me food for thought Smile

I have been “silent” since Selfridges because of travels and then three works of playing catch up at work ! But mainly because the “outage” of the BeoWorld iApp ... thank goodness it’s back !!!

Anyway despite the silence I had been active research LG options, G7 as an alternative!, going back to Loewe and even Sony ... and measuring and remeasuring placement options ... and having debates with SWMBO.

I am convinced I could (with only a little pain) get an LG OLED working with my BL20, BL3, and BL19.

And that for the price of a 55” Eclipse I could get a workable 65” Loewe or even a 77” LG !!!

But when I read your positivity I started to waver ... Laughing

BeoNut since '75

BenSA
Top 75 Contributor
Durban, South Africa
Posts 1,165
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
BenSA replied on Tue, Nov 14 2017 12:26 PM

I think you should waver!! Big Smile

BenSA
Top 75 Contributor
Durban, South Africa
Posts 1,165
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
BenSA replied on Tue, Nov 14 2017 12:26 PM

I think you should waver!! Big Smile

andriani
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 79
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
andriani replied on Tue, Nov 14 2017 6:58 PM

hello,

i decide to place an order for beovision eclipse 55 after a long  reflexion ( soory for my english , french is my first language)

as you  i look at lg, sony and panasonic ( not a loewe because i don t like the look-- "the big eye " - under the  screen) in 55  and 65 

i came from  beovision 7 55 mk2 , beolab 5 and beolab 3

i choose to order eclipse because i think it is not a bad product .i can read  the review  and in reading  the beoworld forum

it is why i was  yesterday in bang olufsen store in south of france to look at it

.I compare with beovision avant ng , it is a new look different of last generation , but the main is the picture you see !! and also the sound

the both are very good  (not better than sony or panasonic)

i choose the eclipse 

       1 simplicity with my speakers

       2 very good picture and  sound

       3  "very open" for multimedia  ( apple tv, plex, deezer,spotify,...)

price is high but the store purchase my beovision 7 mk2  ...so for a tv oled 55 with the integrated amplifier and integration with all my speaker i think it is  a good choice  Stick out tongue( ps i  take for my eclipse the vertical stable stand from stbbrackets )

i wait for the beginning of december nowSmile and i sall try to make  a "review"

elephant
Top 10 Contributor
AU
Posts 7,473
OFFLINE
Founder
elephant replied on Tue, Nov 14 2017 9:14 PM
Thank you Andriani for sharing your thoughts.

Congratulations on your decision !

You have summarised why I am wavering.

Plus I can’t see a way of squeezing the bigger TVs into where by BV8 sits.

BeoNut since '75

Seanie_230
Top 50 Contributor
UK
Posts 1,934
OFFLINE
Gold Member
andriani:

hello,

i decide to place an order for beovision eclipse 55 after a long reflexion ( soory for my english , french is my first language)

as you i look at lg, sony and panasonic ( not a loewe because i don t like the look-- "the big eye " - under the screen) in 55 and 65

i came from beovision 7 55 mk2 , beolab 5 and beolab 3

i choose to order eclipse because i think it is not a bad product .i can read the review and in reading the beoworld forum

it is why i was yesterday in bang olufsen store in south of france to look at it

.I compare with beovision avant ng , it is a new look different of last generation , but the main is the picture you see !! and also the sound

the both are very good (not better than sony or panasonic)

i choose the eclipse

1 simplicity with my speakers

2 very good picture and sound

3 "very open" for multimedia ( apple tv, plex, deezer,spotify,...)

price is high but the store purchase my beovision 7 mk2 ...so for a tv oled 55 with the integrated amplifier and integration with all my speaker i think it is a good choice ( ps i take for my eclipse the vertical stable stand from stbbrackets )

i wait for the beginning of december now and i sall try to make a "review"

Congratulations I have seen it in a shop and it’s amazing. What a great TV

BLGW - Rekindling the love of ML

tigerisak
Not Ranked
Posts 34
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
tigerisak replied on Fri, Nov 17 2017 9:43 AM

I told them to remove these. So now I don't have a tilt at all. The technician told me that they sent out a piece of paper just one week prior to launch with the small metal washer.

Where can I find the training videos?

tigerisak
Not Ranked
Posts 34
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
tigerisak replied on Fri, Nov 17 2017 9:45 AM

I told my technician to come back and remove these. He told me that they got a piece of paper just a week prior to launch to add these small metal washers. Strange indeed. Now I don't have a tilt at all which I like better.

Where can I find the training videos?

svinaik
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 181
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
svinaik replied on Fri, Nov 17 2017 8:21 PM

Folks

After a long delay, I finally have received my Loewe 7.77 and I have integrated BL 50 speakers with it via Almando Box. I have loaded a picture on the media section.

Since this is Eclipse forum, I do not want to say too much about Loewe but all I can say is that I could not be happier with my decision. I just could not get over the poor execution by B&O on Eclipse and the LG interface was a deal killer for me. On the picture side, Loewe processing is much better than LG C6.

Those who want to learn more about it, please feel free to PM me.

 

 

 

BAND'OH!
Top 150 Contributor
Posts 529
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
BAND'OH! replied on Sat, Nov 18 2017 2:19 AM

svinaik:

Folks

After a long delay, I finally have received my Loewe 7.77 and I have integrated BL 50 speakers with it via Almando Box. I have loaded a picture on the media section.

Since this is Eclipse forum, I do not want to say too much about Loewe but all I can say is that I could not be happier with my decision. I just could not get over the poor execution by B&O on Eclipse and the LG interface was a deal killer for me. On the picture side, Loewe processing is much better than LG C6.

Those who want to learn more about it, please feel free to PM me.

Thanks for sharing and I think it is perfectly fine to talk about a Loewe product here (although I acknowledge this is a B&O forum but what B&O is there these days? Not much...) but I am with you completely and am also in the process of ordering a Bild 7 for exactly the same reasons you state. This will be the first time ever in 20 years that I have not bought a B&O tv but it all honesty the Eclipse is complete rubbish in my opinion. There's nothing about it that is B&O except an average speaker effort, which doesn't even size well compared to the LG tv it is attached too. Such a disappointment and enough is enough for me. That's an honest and sincere opinion. It really is such a poor effort from B&O and I truly think the company is in trouble and won't be here in the next few years. To be fair, they don't deserve to be with such mediocre efforts, so I'll be moving on. They are simply not what they were. Loewe are the next best thing. I am also considering the LG W7 with the atmos sound bar, which is a beautiful designed and up to date product. Simon.

 

svinaik
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 181
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
svinaik replied on Sat, Nov 18 2017 2:51 AM

BAND'OH!:

I am also considering the LG W7 with the atmos sound bar, which is a beautiful designed and up to date product. Simon.

 

On the LG versus Loewe, only thing I will add is that Loewe has full blown surround sound processor and it gives lots of flexibility in set up. I use 2 speaker mode for the music and 3 speaker mode for movies etc, Not sure if LG W7 has any of the processing that Loewe has. Also, sound on the Loewe is pristine and goes well with BL 50. LG are not known for their sound.

Honestly, I am yet to explore full functionality on Loewe7.77 . There is so much more to it than what I know right now. In few weeks, I will be an even more informed source. It has exceeded all my expectations so far.

Materials and user interface is perfect on Loewe. I love the curtains and software is very well thought through. motorized stand and speaker are what B&O used to be.

On the real plus side, Wife also thinks of me as genius (after seeing the total solutions) :)

Chris Townsend
Top 50 Contributor
Badsey, UK
Posts 3,097
OFFLINE
Gold Member

I’ve been swung by the technical merits of the Loewe Bild 7 for a few months, but I must confess the demo I recently had in my new local dealer has made me think.

But now this blind test by the nerd militia at AVForums, and it paints the C7 panel which I believe is unmodified in the Eclipse, in the worst possible way.

https://www.avforums.com/news/philips-9002-oled-tv-wins-blind-shootout.14195

 Beolit 15, Beoplay A2, H6/H2, Form 2, Beoplay A3, Beovision 5-42 connected to a DVD1

Emil Jensen
Top 500 Contributor
Denmark
Posts 207
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

Lets agree to disagree as I find the speaker in the Eclipse superior to any other,

But Svinaik, could you start a new thread about about your Loewe as I have a bunch of question, and I think the solution could fit many of the members.

Beolab 20, Beolab 17, Transmitter 1

Chris Townsend
Top 50 Contributor
Badsey, UK
Posts 3,097
OFFLINE
Gold Member

I can’t edit my post. After reviewing the Eclipse and it’s sound bar, I had second thoughts about the Bild 7.

 Beolit 15, Beoplay A2, H6/H2, Form 2, Beoplay A3, Beovision 5-42 connected to a DVD1

ErikVonAgnar
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 182
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

For a Bang & Olufsen forum with Eclipse there is a lot of talk about other TVs and brand. 
If you wanna talk about Loewe then go to LoeWorld.org

//EA

Beo in white is my thingBig Smile

Currently own: BeoVision Avant 55", BeoLab 5, BeoLab 18, BeoRemoteOne, BeoPlay V1-32", BeoRemote4, BeoSound 3200, BeoGram 6500 (MMC-1), BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, LC2, BeoVision MX7000 and BeoLab 3

svinaik
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 181
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
svinaik replied on Sat, Nov 18 2017 1:14 PM

ErikVonAgnar:

For a Bang & Olufsen forum with Eclipse there is a lot of talk about other TVs and brand. 
If you wanna talk about Loewe then go to LoeWorld.org

//EA

Hi Erik

This is also a discussion about BL integration. It seems my input has displeased you somehow but just to remind that you do not own this forum. Our views are also very relevant to those who are seeking a path forward on the OLED TVs. It is not just for fanboys.

Please also do not advise me about Loewe forum. I do not know you were showing off your knowledge (of Loewe Forums) or ignorance (of other's awareness).

ErikVonAgnar
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 182
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

No I don't own this forum. But when this thread is named BEOVISION ECLIPSE and people are talking of buying a Loewe, then I think this is the wrong forum for those people. 
If you wanna talk to those "who are seeking a path forward on the OLED", then why talk to them here in a forum for the BV Eclipse? Look for a forum with names like: Beovision vs other brand or Beo vs Loewe.

I think people should share their experience and aspects about the BV Eclipse and buyers advice. And yes, you can compare BV to some others in some way but when people start to saying that they have bought a Loewe in this forum I think it's wrong. 

AND, if I can't advice you about writing about Loewe in a "Loewe forum". Then do not advice me on my view on this forum that is named BV Eclipse.

 

//EA 

Beo in white is my thingBig Smile

Currently own: BeoVision Avant 55", BeoLab 5, BeoLab 18, BeoRemoteOne, BeoPlay V1-32", BeoRemote4, BeoSound 3200, BeoGram 6500 (MMC-1), BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, LC2, BeoVision MX7000 and BeoLab 3

Carolpa
Top 100 Contributor
Posts 723
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Carolpa replied on Sat, Nov 18 2017 2:00 PM

ErikVonAgnar:

No I don't own this forum. But when this thread is named BEOVISION ECLIPSE and people are talking of buying a Loewe, then I think this is the wrong forum for those people. 
If you wanna talk to those "who are seeking a path forward on the OLED", then why talk to them here in a forum for the BV Eclipse? Look for a forum with names like: Beovision vs other brand or Beo vs Loewe.

I think people should share their experience and aspects about the BV Eclipse and buyers advice. And yes, you can compare BV to some others in some way but when people start to saying that they have bought a Loewe in this forum I think it's wrong. 

AND, if I can't advice you about writing about Loewe in a "Loewe forum". Then do not advice me on my view on this forum that is named BV Eclipse.

 

//EA 

 

well said!

Puncher
Top 10 Contributor
Durham
Posts 11,276
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Puncher replied on Sat, Nov 18 2017 2:15 PM

FFS grow up!!

Ban boring signatures!

Carolpa
Top 100 Contributor
Posts 723
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Carolpa replied on Sat, Nov 18 2017 2:22 PM

Puncher:
FFS grow up!!
Did you look in the mirror?

or did you address somebody else?

 

Puncher
Top 10 Contributor
Durham
Posts 11,276
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Puncher replied on Sat, Nov 18 2017 2:32 PM

Carolpa:

Puncher:
FFS grow up!!
Did you look in the mirror?

or did you address somebody else?

 

I'll happily hold my hands up if ever I post anything akin to, "You're shouldn't be allowed to call my TV names on here"!

Ban boring signatures!

svinaik
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 181
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
svinaik replied on Sat, Nov 18 2017 3:18 PM

Follks

 

let’s cool down. Those who are really interested in some real discussion on how to make some of the best brands work together and are serious about it can start commenting on a new thread that I have started. Link is below. 

http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/t/28501.aspx

I will let the fan boys hang around here as I have nothing more to add to Eclipse discussion. I have spoken on it through my decision on buying the Loewe.

 

Millemissen
Top 10 Contributor
Flensborg, Denmark
Posts 10,020
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

I see no problem in advertising someones view on Eclipse vs Loewe in an Eclipse thread like this.

The problem starts, when the Loewe point takes over.

It is very easy to start a new thread on that subject here - as has svinalk now done -

(By the way, it is not the first one), and let the Eclipse owners/future owners have the show here.

And - Carolpa, don’t mess with Puncher......the name speaks for itself ;-)))

MM

 

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Jeff
Top 50 Contributor
USA
Posts 2,789
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Jeff replied on Sat, Nov 18 2017 5:10 PM

Puncher:

Carolpa:

Puncher:
FFS grow up!!
Did you look in the mirror?

or did you address somebody else?

 

I'll happily hold my hands up if ever I post anything akin to, "You're shouldn't be allowed to call my TV names on here"!

Perhaps this wouldn't happen if B&O produced products currently that were beyond reproach, rather than cobbled together, buggy designs?

But it does remind me of an old joke. Woman with a very ugly baby is traveling on a train. Drunk on board starts harassing her, going on and on about how ugly her baby is. She finally calls the conductor and complains. He throws the drunk out of the train car to the baggage car to cool down, and apologizes to her. Ma'am, I'm so sorry you were subjected to this. I want to apologize on behalf of the railroad, and give you this slip, just present it in the dining car and they'll give you any meal you like, no matter the cost. And they'll even round up a banana for your monkey.

Jeff

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

BAND'OH!
Top 150 Contributor
Posts 529
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
BAND'OH! replied on Sun, Nov 19 2017 12:18 AM

Jeff:
Perhaps this wouldn't happen if B&O produced products currently that were beyond reproach, rather than cobbled together, buggy designs?

I agree with you Jeff. I am so frustrated and frankly, feel very angry with B&O as I feel they have totally let me down as a customer; a loyal one at that. I respect that those who have bought the Eclipse love it and are enjoying it, and that's great and as it should be. However, equally I am also entitled to my opinion - to what it means to me - and I do, quite simply see it as complete rubbish. There is nothing about it that has a B&O hallmark apart from a speaker which to be honest, any manufacturer could produce if the so wished. To charge a premium price for such a poor effort is an absolute insult in my opinion and it makes me angry and bitter towards the brand that I once so loved and respected. B&O clearly don't care anymore; so neither do I. Of course there is, will be and has been ... a knock on effect to customers. The BL90 is the only new looking product I can see from the company in the last few years. Everything else is a poor copy of previous designs. Where is the innovation? Where is the magic? Where is the B&O'ness? A pathetic joke frankly.

svinaik
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 181
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
svinaik replied on Sun, Nov 19 2017 1:12 AM

BAND'OH!:
The BL90 is the only new looking product I can see from the company in the last few years.

I would add BL 50 also to the great products. Frankly, it is BL 90 class performance at BL5 price (at least for those of us who imported BL 50 from Europe / UK to USA) . :)

On the B&O side, I am not angry any more. I was waiting for the past 2 years for B&O (Passed on Avant for that reason) to come out with a TV with HDR and was very disappointed at Eclipse but it gave me a chance to renew my love for non B&O (Hint L****).

Now that I have moved on, no anger any more. Enjoying my BL 50 and much better TV experience by going elsewhere. If B&O had produced even half A** effort, I would have stayed in the camp but it did allow me to venture out and feel liberated.

 

elephant
Top 10 Contributor
AU
Posts 7,473
OFFLINE
Founder
elephant replied on Sun, Nov 19 2017 2:26 AM
Chris Townsend:

I’ve been swung by the technical merits of the Loewe Bild 7 for a few months, but I must confess the demo I recently had in my new local dealer has made me think.

But now this blind test by the nerd militia at AVForums, and it paints the C7 panel which I believe is unmodified in the Eclipse, in the worst possible way.

https://www.avforums.com/news/philips-9002-oled-tv-wins-blind-shootout.14195

Beovision 7-55 Mk2, Avant RF 28, Beolab 5, Beolit 15, Beoplay A1/A2, Beocom 2, Beotime, H3 ANC/H8/H6/H2, Form 2, Beoplay A3, Beovision 5-42 connected to a DVD1

Thanks Chris for post

Really enjoyed the article, the video, and attendees’ posts.

Strangely yesterday my wife and I were yet again the a department store comparing screens and out the blue she talked about how we had always preferred the natural tones of Philips TVs.

I shall have to see if I our local AV shop has managed to secure a Philips’ import licence !

BeoNut since '75

ErikVonAgnar
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 182
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

What do you think Beo should have done? What type of TV should Beo had made to be as good as you wanted to be? 
I'm one of those who had a two year old 4k Avant 55" mk1 and still went for the Eclipse. 

I see many in this forum has very much hate for the Eclipse and I don't see why. In my mind it feels that people are hating on it just because it has the big LG name. 

I wonder why people think that the Eclipse isn't a Beovision.
How is it "complete rubbish"? Nothing that has the Beo hallmark? What makes it a Beo Hallmark? 
Premium price for a poor effort? I think the BV Avant mk2, Horizon and BV 14 is just that with a buggy OS. 
The price tag for BV4 or BV9 was extreme in those days and not worth it when you look at the specs, yes you could gotten a better screen and sound if you bought other stuff. 

For me at least a true Beovision is a TV that differs a lot from other brands in design. And the Eclipse does, the design is the best between Avant and BV14. It should also have a sound that makes the TV stand alone without any additional speakers. I bought the Eclipse for the picture quality but was most surprised about the sound, much better then the Avant. It should also have the best screen panel available. The OLED from LG is leading and other brands get their OLEDs from LG. (Beo has since a long way back gotten their panels from other brands). And the screen and picture is the best in any other Beovision. And a true Beovision should be easy to operate. My girlfriend or guest shouldn't have to ask me how to manage the TV. The menus should be easy. It should be able to connect to your other Beo products, it those it well. 

Again, for me I hope Beo continues with the LG partnership because the screen is the best. The OS is easy, has a lot of useful functions and doesn't bug.

But please write what you think makes it such bad and rubbish tv and why it isnt a Beo Hallmark.

//EA   

Beo in white is my thingBig Smile

Currently own: BeoVision Avant 55", BeoLab 5, BeoLab 18, BeoRemoteOne, BeoPlay V1-32", BeoRemote4, BeoSound 3200, BeoGram 6500 (MMC-1), BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, LC2, BeoVision MX7000 and BeoLab 3

Razlaw
Top 25 Contributor
Posts 3,288
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Razlaw replied on Mon, Nov 20 2017 12:38 AM

Well written post and I agree with you. I am lookimg forward to visiting my dealer in the near future as the Eclipse has just arrived. (In the USA).  I specifically agree with your comments about the price of older Beovisions.  I bought a 32 inch Avant over 15 years ago at a price of $8,500.  I don’t think anybody here has ever complained about the 32 inch Avant being over priced. 15 years later, 15 years of inflation, 15 years of technological progress, 23 inch bigger screen, more features, and the price has only increased around 25%?  Maybe I missed everybody complaining about an $8,500 price 15 years ago.

I think the Eclipse looks beautiful. I have no problem with the price. (A BV7-55, plus a Beolab 7-4 or other, cost much more than the Eclipse). If I decide to get a 55 inch Eclipse, it will seem like a bargain compared to the price of my BV 7–55.  

Razlaw
Top 25 Contributor
Posts 3,288
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Razlaw replied on Mon, Nov 20 2017 12:38 AM

Well written post and I agree with you. I am lookimg forward to visiting my dealer in the near future as the Eclipse has just arrived. (In the USA).  I specifically agree with your comments about the price of older Beovisions.  I bought a 32 inch Avant over 15 years ago at a price of $8,500.  I don’t think anybody here has ever complained about the 32 inch Avant being over priced. 15 years later, 15 years of inflation, 15 years of technological progress, 23 inch bigger screen, more features, and the price has only increased around 25%?  Maybe I missed everybody complaining about an $8,500 price 15 years ago.

I think the Eclipse looks beautiful. I have no problem with the price. (A BV7-55, plus a Beolab 7-4 or other, cost much more than the Eclipse). If I decide to get a 55 inch Eclipse, it will seem like a bargain compared to the price of my BV 7–55.  

Chris Townsend
Top 50 Contributor
Badsey, UK
Posts 3,097
OFFLINE
Gold Member

If I’m not mistaken , the Avant RF and the 7-55 both had custom made panels, and of course a built in DVD/Blu-ray player. 

As for the best technology, although all competing OLEDs use LG derived panels, in a recent blind test by AVforums, the C7 panel came last and did so by a long way. Phillips that uses its own decoding(Visionclear if you like) came first. I did read or see an article which stated the Eclipse comes with its own extra picture decoding. Is that true?

 Beolit 15, Beoplay A2, H6/H2, Form 2, Beoplay A3, Beovision 5-42 connected to a DVD1

Razlaw
Top 25 Contributor
Posts 3,288
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Razlaw replied on Mon, Nov 20 2017 6:10 AM

I saw an article that said that also, perhaps the same article, and I wondered the same thing about it.

As for the 32 inch Avant and the BV7-55......the US version of the Avant did not have a built in DVD player. The DVD/Blu-Ray on the 7-55 was an option. My 7-55 does not have the player and still cost thousands more than an Eclipse.  

Puncher
Top 10 Contributor
Durham
Posts 11,276
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Puncher replied on Mon, Nov 20 2017 8:24 AM

ErikVonAgnar:
But please write what you think makes it such bad and rubbish tv and why it isnt a Beo Hallmark.

Its all here in the Eclipse threads, nothing new to add.

Ban boring signatures!

moxxey
Top 25 Contributor
South West, UK
Posts 4,485
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
moxxey replied on Mon, Nov 20 2017 10:24 AM

ErikVonAgnar:

No I don't own this forum. But when this thread is named BEOVISION ECLIPSE and people are talking of buying a Loewe, then I think this is the wrong forum for those people. //EA 

Absolutely not. A forum can and is a discussion point with a theme which can go off on various tangents (as long as it roughly sticks with the original theme). This enables posters to discuss other things relating to, say, competition or their view on similar brands. Comparative tests and more. And this includes whether they believe the Eclipse competes or does not compete. All opinions welcome.

What a forum is not, is a point where you start telling others to go elsewhere as *you* believe the discussion isn't bent around your way of thinking. That's not on.

Just ignore posts you do not want agree with or do not want to read, but do allow others to make their own opinion.

ErikVonAgnar
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 182
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

Well, yes, technically that is what a forum is. But this site is called Beoworld is (if I'm not mistaken) for fans of Bang & Olufsen. 
And on that fan based forum there is a thread called Beovision Eclipse. Do you think it appropriate to discuss buying other brands? 
If you want to compare the Eclipse to other brands when regards to specs and tech, yes. But when people are starting to talk about buying Loewe and then post that "I just bought a Loewe TV". That doesn't belong here. Do you go to Volvo fan based forums and tell them that you have bought an Audi? 

As a owner of the Eclipse I go to this forum to read about others who have bought it, to se comparisons to other brand or other Beovisions and to see what people love or hate about it. Why should I have to scroll and read about long discussions about people buying other brands like Loewe? If there was a thread about Beovision 8, I don't go and write to them that I just bought an Eclipse. 

So no, I should't ignore post that is not relevant for this forum or thread. If people that are genuine interesting about the technology in OLED and other brands, then find forums that are more open or specific for that.     

//EA 

Beo in white is my thingBig Smile

Currently own: BeoVision Avant 55", BeoLab 5, BeoLab 18, BeoRemoteOne, BeoPlay V1-32", BeoRemote4, BeoSound 3200, BeoGram 6500 (MMC-1), BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, LC2, BeoVision MX7000 and BeoLab 3

ErikVonAgnar
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 182
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

Then please remind me. Smile And I would like it to be as specifically as possible. I'm genuin interesting about what people think is so wrong with it. 
I don't take is personally if people hate on a TV that I have bought. But I would like to know what is so wrong with something that I like so much.

Is it because it is the partnership with LG?
The new OS menus?
The OLED tech?
The design?
The sound?

//EA

Beo in white is my thingBig Smile

Currently own: BeoVision Avant 55", BeoLab 5, BeoLab 18, BeoRemoteOne, BeoPlay V1-32", BeoRemote4, BeoSound 3200, BeoGram 6500 (MMC-1), BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, LC2, BeoVision MX7000 and BeoLab 3

Sandyb
Top 100 Contributor
Posts 737
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Sandyb replied on Mon, Nov 20 2017 2:56 PM

Hasn't this all been covered before ad nauseam?

No one has an issue with the sound, in fact most are impressed by it.

The OLED panel tech is a positive, but everyone is producing OLED TV's, so then its a question of LG video processing, which is good but not the best.

The design is subjective, some like it, some dont - a David Lewis design it certainly isnt.

Which leaves the most common objection, the OS / menu system and lack of heritage B&O feel.

For the price (yes i know BV's are always expensive), the sum of the parts doesn't quite add up - thats  the summary of all the forum discussion on the Eclipse, i would suggest.

Personally i agree in sprit that the Eclipse is a bit different / an odd proposition from B&O - though if i had one, i'd probably be happy enough.

All of this has been reiterated many times on the forum  -  the above points may or may not matter so much to some people,  but thats a different question.

 

svinaik
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 181
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
svinaik replied on Mon, Nov 20 2017 2:58 PM

ErikVonAgnar:

Then please remind me. Smile And I would like it to be as specifically as possible. I'm genuin interesting about what people think is so wrong with it. 
I don't take is personally if people hate on a TV that I have bought. But I would like to know what is so wrong with something that I like so much.

Is it because it is the partnership with LG?
The new OS menus?
The OLED tech?
The design?
The sound?

//EA

Erik, since you ask so nicely, here is my "personal" input which you may or may not agree but that is okay. 

LG Partnership - It is a non issue as all the TV manufacturers have to source their OLED panels from LG. Loewe & Sony source only the panels and then doing their own design / additions (Processing) and B&O is buying the whole TV. 

Web OS Menu : I personally think they are cartoonish and very appropriate for $ 2000 TV (Which BTW I did purchase LG C7 & LG E7 for my 2 kids)

OLED Tech :Non Issue as each OLED TV starts from the same source. Small differences are in the implementation of various companies (I Think, Sony, Loewe) do a much better job than LG does (Eclipse is 100% LG processing)

Design : Now you are touching a nerve as this is and will always remain a personal matter of taste. I find the design of Avant to be of a much higher calibre than Eclipse. Sound Bar extending out of screen does not work for me at all. Eclipse to me looks a kind of mish- mash and the only time I could Eclipse a bit was when it is turned off :). Speaker draw away the attention form screen and it does not across as a harmonious design.

Sound : Eclipse is beyond reproach. Greatest sound ever as a stand alone speaker on TV but perhaps not as critical as you think if you have even better sound (In my case, I have BL 50 & BL 5).

One main question that you did not ask is the what are we paying and what are we getting. This is where is biggest failure happens for Eclipse fro me personally. A lot is being asked for and very little is being given. If you were really looking for that 450W sound bar at that price, it is of course your prerogative but many of us who do ask the 'Value" questions and not satisfied by knowing that we are buying B&O TV. 

Hope that helps you see other point of view...

Puncher
Top 10 Contributor
Durham
Posts 11,276
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Puncher replied on Mon, Nov 20 2017 3:18 PM

What really does if for me is the complete lack of effort from B&O on the panel - premium materials? - No, better than stock video processing? - No, integrated and stylish UI? - No, past Beovision identifiers (curtains etc.)? - No.

While every single other user of LG OLED panels have managed to raise the bar, even if only a little in some cases, B&O just haven't bothered at all - nothing!

No one doubts the speaker, the styling is subjective but to sell a stock LG TV as a Beovision knowing its picture isnt what it could be isnt what B&O used to be about.

Ban boring signatures!

KMA
Top 150 Contributor
Posts 523
OFFLINE
Gold Member
KMA replied on Mon, Nov 20 2017 3:52 PM
Puncher:

What really does if for me is the complete lack of effort from B&O on the panel - premium materials? - No, better than stock video processing? - No, integrated and stylish UI? - No, past Beovision identifiers (curtains etc.)? - No.

While every single other user of LG OLED panels have managed to raise the bar, even if only a little in some cases, B&O just haven't bothered at all - nothing!

No one doubts the speaker and styling is subjective but to sell a stock LG TV as a Beovision knowing its picture isnt what it could be isnt what B&O used to be about.

Ban boring signatures!

That's it, neatly in a nutshell!

KMA

B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.

Page 36 of 45 (1784 items) « First ... < Previous 34 35 36 37 38 Next > ... Last » | RSS